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Reply #2055 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The fact is we still have massacres, but since it wasn't with a gun, it is some how accepted and ignored.

How, exactly, is it accepted and ignored?

Is this accepting and ignoring a mass killing?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-21/cairns-woman-charged-with-murder-of-eight-...

It was reported in all the news outlets.

There was public mourning.

The woman was arrested and charged with murder.

So ... ?

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Reply #2056 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:14pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

The Monash university shooter had a semi auto, f course the hoplophobes ignore that one in spruiking their bullshit.

What about this,firing 55 rounds from outlawed semi autos on a Sydney street, is it nothing to worry about?
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Adnan Darwiche said-
this is whats gunna happen,Fidel can drive down the road and shoot at their house,then they come out to see what the bugger happened,me and Abdul will be standing on the corner with SKS's and blast em

The gunmen fired 55 rounds,but miraculously Farouk Razzak was not hit nor were the other occupants of the house
In fact the gunmen were so innacurrate that shots hit houses as far east as 96,five houses down the street.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwiche-Razzak-Fahda_family_conflict

As Freediver would say- The impotence of muslims should not be mistaken for lack of intent

Was the 6 years given to Bob Knights killer who fired 10 rounds in a KFC car park an example of heavier sentencing? (Check post #1)

If you break into someones home and break open their gun safe and steal guns the crime is considered no worse than stealing their TV

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2057 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The stats I saw for Victoria show more homicides are done with cars than guns, culpable driving causing death outnumbers firearm homicides in that state.

There we go. Right on cue.

Must be you GP... ... you bring out the honesty in us all! Grin

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2058 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The fact is we still have massacres, but since it wasn't with a gun, it is some how accepted and ignored.

How, exactly, is it accepted and ignored?

Is this accepting and ignoring a mass killing?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-21/cairns-woman-charged-with-murder-of-eight-...

It was reported in all the news outlets.

There was public mourning.

The woman was arrested and charged with murder.

So ... ?

You have only just acknowledged this now after I pointed it out. In fact you wanted no mention of other massacres in this post, just guns.

All of a sudden you post this like it matters to you. FFS!

You do realise I am only talking you gun hysterics when I ost and not the sane wider community, don't you?

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Reply #2060 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The fact is we still have massacres, but since it wasn't with a gun, it is some how accepted and ignored.

How, exactly, is it accepted and ignored?

Is this accepting and ignoring a mass killing?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-21/cairns-woman-charged-with-murder-of-eight-...

It was reported in all the news outlets.

There was public mourning.

The woman was arrested and charged with murder.

So ... ?

You have only just acknowledged this now after I pointed it out.

Incorrect.

I acknowledged it on the day it happened.

Massacres aren't accepted and ignored.

There's no conspiracy.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2061 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:27pm

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The stats I saw for Victoria show more homicides are done with cars than guns, culpable driving causing death outnumbers firearm homicides in that state.

There we go. Right on cue.

Must be you GP... http://i.imgur.com/ekeDVTH.gif ... you bring out the honesty in us all! Grin

I'm not doubting the honesty (or accuracy).

It's the total irrelevance that amuses me.

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Reply #2062 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The stats I saw for Victoria show more homicides are done with cars than guns, culpable driving causing death outnumbers firearm homicides in that state.

There we go. Right on cue.

Must be you GP... http://i.imgur.com/ekeDVTH.gif ... you bring out the honesty in us all! Grin

I'm not doubting the honesty (or accuracy).

It's the total irrelevance that amuses me.

Basically, what I think is being said, no matter what the intention is, no law, gun law or any law, can legislate the insanity out of the mentally deranged.

The Mentally deranged killer will execute their diabolical plan regardless of the tool available at the moment, or the law prohibiting the wrongful taking of an innocent life, full stop.

Intent, & execution is totally relevant regarding equal treatment under the law and equal protection against injustice. Wink

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Reply #2063 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

Queensland permits semi-automatics, & they are available elsewhere too.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/gun-licences/about-gun-licences/

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

So your gun owners are all completely sound of mind, now & forever? They will never let their cheese slide completely off their cracker, go grab their legal gun, load it, & take out their temporary insanity on a unaware pack of strangers? That isn't possible? Why? All because they treasure their firearms so so much, pass tests on gun usage & storage, & belong to gun clubs?

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

That keeps people sane does it? Why? Simply because of compliance penalties & storage checks?

4. Stricter licensing. Grin

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts.

So, those are your specific reasons why there haven't been any Gun
massacres since 1996?

By your reasoning then, you are saying that because of the laws on the books, there will never be another gun massacre in Australia?

Or, are you conceding that even though the gun laws have made it more difficult, if a once sane gun owner went berserk tomorrow, none of the present day firearms permitted to be owned anywhere in Australia could be used to perpetrate a massacre?

Somehow, I don't think your logic should make me feel all sorts of warm & fuzzy....

When, if you ever learn to use the Quote:

tags properly and not resort to crayons I might answer your points Panther. Cheesy

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2064 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

In a discussion about Australian Gun laws, yes they should be! I don't see a gun, so they belong in a discussion about Australian axe, knife or fire massacres! Cheesy

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Reply #2065 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The hoplophobes claim no mass shootings since 1996, what about Monash University did he use a semi auto or do the hoplophobes ignore this one in bullshitting about no mass shootings

Different category of firearm Baron.

Any mass killings with semi-automatic pistols since Monash? Since the laws were tightened? Nope! Grin

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Reply #2066 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

Queensland permits semi-automatics, & they are available elsewhere too.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/gun-licences/about-gun-licences/

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

So your gun owners are all completely sound of mind, now & forever? They will never let their cheese slide completely off their cracker, go grab their legal gun, load it, & take out their temporary insanity on a unaware pack of strangers? That isn't possible? Why? All because they treasure their firearms so so much, pass tests on gun usage & storage, & belong to gun clubs?

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

That keeps people sane does it? Why? Simply because of compliance penalties & storage checks?

4. Stricter licensing. Grin

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts.

So, those are your specific reasons why there haven't been any Gun
massacres since 1996?

By your reasoning then, you are saying that because of the laws on the books, there will never be another gun massacre in Australia?

Or, are you conceding that even though the gun laws have made it more difficult, if a once sane gun owner went berserk tomorrow, none of the present day firearms permitted to be owned anywhere in Australia could be used to perpetrate a massacre?

Somehow, I don't think your logic should make me feel all sorts of warm & fuzzy....

When, if you ever learn to use the Quote:

tags properly and not resort to crayons I might answer your points Panther. Cheesy

Which is a long winded way of saying that you haven't a foggiest clue on how to answer my valid points ..... ergo, an emphatic, yet empty, dodge, & here I thought you might have wanted to share some redemptive intelligence.... Roll Eyes

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2067 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

The Monash university shooter had a semi auto, f course the hoplophobes ignore that one in spruiking their bullshit.

Laws have been tightened since then. Zero mass shootings with pistols.

Quote:

What about this,firing 55 rounds from outlawed semi autos on a Sydney street, is it nothing to worry about?

As you mentioned, it's outlawed. If the owner/firer is caught, they will suffer the full weight of the law.

I'll ignore your Islamophobia Baron. Grin

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Reply #2068 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

Queensland permits semi-automatics, & they are available elsewhere too.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/gun-licences/about-gun-licences/

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

So your gun owners are all completely sound of mind, now & forever? They will never let their cheese slide completely off their cracker, go grab their legal gun, load it, & take out their temporary insanity on a unaware pack of strangers? That isn't possible? Why? All because they treasure their firearms so so much, pass tests on gun usage & storage, & belong to gun clubs?

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

That keeps people sane does it? Why? Simply because of compliance penalties & storage checks?

4. Stricter licensing. Grin

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts.

So, those are your specific reasons why there haven't been any Gun
massacres since 1996?

By your reasoning then, you are saying that because of the laws on the books, there will never be another gun massacre in Australia?

Or, are you conceding that even though the gun laws have made it more difficult, if a once sane gun owner went berserk tomorrow, none of the present day firearms permitted to be owned anywhere in Australia could be used to perpetrate a massacre?

Somehow, I don't think your logic should make me feel all sorts of warm & fuzzy....

When, if you ever learn to use the Quote:

tags properly and not resort to crayons I might answer your points Panther. Cheesy

Which is a long winded way of saying that you haven't a foggiest clue on how to answer my valid points ..... ergo, an emphatic, yet empty, dodge, & here I thought you might have wanted to share some intelligence.... Wink

You've got my request Panther. You want an answer, put your points in correctly so they are readable. Grin

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Reply #2069 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

Queensland permits semi-automatics, & they are available elsewhere too.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/gun-licences/about-gun-licences/

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

So your gun owners are all completely sound of mind, now & forever? They will never let their cheese slide completely off their cracker, go grab their legal gun, load it, & take out their temporary insanity on a unaware pack of strangers? That isn't possible? Why? All because they treasure their firearms so so much, pass tests on gun usage & storage, & belong to gun clubs?

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

That keeps people sane does it? Why? Simply because of compliance penalties & storage checks?

4. Stricter licensing. Grin

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts.

So, those are your specific reasons why there haven't been any Gun
massacres since 1996?

By your reasoning then, you are saying that because of the laws on the books, there will never be another gun massacre in Australia?

Or, are you conceding that even though the gun laws have made it more difficult, if a once sane gun owner went berserk tomorrow, none of the present day firearms permitted to be owned anywhere in Australia could be used to perpetrate a massacre?

Somehow, I don't think your logic should make me feel all sorts of warm & fuzzy....

When, if you ever learn to use the Quote:

tags properly and not resort to crayons I might answer your points Panther. Cheesy

Which is a long winded way of saying that you haven't a foggiest clue on how to answer my valid points ..... ergo, an emphatic, yet empty, dodge, & here I thought you might have wanted to share some intelligence.... Wink

You've got my request Panther. You want an answer, put your points in correctly so they are readable. Grin

Unless you're colorblind, for which if true you are forgiven, otherwise you can read what's written, & if you had answers you would present them. Otherwise you'll continue with your ruse, & continue to dodge answering because you cant.

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