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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2040 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:10pm Panther wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03pm: My Creator entrusted my life to me, & I respect His gift by protecting it from harm, by any means I so chose. That is my personal responsibility & obligation, not a responsibility I'd abdicate to government. You mean your Dad right?
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Reply #2041 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:44am

Panther wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
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Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

How do agree with the second statement while espousing gun control?
Just curious how you rationalize acting in a way diametrically opposed to a statement while agreeing with it. [/highlight]

I may be wrong but i don't understand how you can be christian and advocate carrying weapons. Especially for self defense.

There is no part of the bible that says "If he strikes you turn the other cheek. Unless your packing in which case fill that sucker full of holes"

Espouse gun control?????.....far, far from espousing gun control, I am absolutely opposed to virtually every precept of gun control.

You obviously don't understand the verb to espouse.

Gun control wasn't & isn't for saving lives, it's flat out governmental control over the people governed.

As far as turn the other cheek, you obviously got the wrong guy to test that one on.....come at me....you will test my wrath, not enjoy any shelter from it!

My Creator entrusted my life to me, & I respect His gift by protecting it from harm, by any means I so chose. That is my personal responsibility & obligation, not a responsibility I'd abdicate to government. Wink

I apologize for my misspost, I meant to type opposed to gun control.

As in you espouse a view that gun control is a bad thing.

Could you please explain how you reconcile your pro gun attitude with the "turn the other cheek" morale of the new testament? or do you just ignore the new testament in this regard?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I am genuinely curious about how you find scriptural support( without ignoring the whole essence of the new testament) for your position advocating self defence by violence?

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2042 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:44am:

Panther wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

How do agree with the second statement while espousing gun control?
Just curious how you rationalize acting in a way diametrically opposed to a statement while agreeing with it. [/highlight]

I may be wrong but i don't understand how you can be christian and advocate carrying weapons. Especially for self defense.

There is no part of the bible that says "If he strikes you turn the other cheek. Unless your packing in which case fill that sucker full of holes"

Espouse gun control?????.....far, far from espousing gun control, I am absolutely opposed to virtually every precept of gun control.

You obviously don't understand the verb to espouse.

Gun control wasn't & isn't for saving lives, it's flat out governmental control over the people governed.

As far as turn the other cheek, you obviously got the wrong guy to test that one on.....come at me....you will test my wrath, not enjoy any shelter from it!

My Creator entrusted my life to me, & I respect His gift by protecting it from harm, by any means I so chose. That is my personal responsibility & obligation, not a responsibility I'd abdicate to government. Wink

I apologize for my misspost, I meant to type opposed to gun control.

As in you espouse a view that gun control is a bad thing.

Could you please explain how you reconcile your pro gun attitude with the "turn the other cheek" morale of the new testament? or do you just ignore the new testament in this regard?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I am genuinely curious about how you find scriptural support( without ignoring the whole essence of the new testament) for your position advocating self defence by violence?

I do not subscribe to any book, or any organized religion, therefore my relationship to my God is a personal one, totally unencumbered with man made doctrines or scriptures.

JFYI.....I never have, nor will I ever "turn the other cheek", unless it somehow, in some way, could give me a tactical advantage over my enemy. I can't visualize using that tactic, which to me would be tantamount to laying on the ground & playing dead, which leaves one completely vulnerable.

Now, this side discussion is nice & all, but it's off topic

(Gun laws in Australia)

, & therefore if you wish to continue on this line I suggest you start up or find a thread where it would be respectfully appropriate..... Wink

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2043 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 11:49am So your a creationist who doesn't accept the bible. That's pretty wild man! thanks for the warning!
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Reply #2044 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

Panther wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 3:42pm:

The life we have was given to us by a higher power, a power greater than any government on the planet. It was intrusted to us, not government, & it is our responsibility to protect it, not government's.....who can't & won't.

According to whom, you with your silly billy gun nut fetishist videos?

What a shame you can't or rather won't read what I am saying. You can hide your head in the sand all you like but the rest of society has decided that guns need to be regulated. Cheesy

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Reply #2045 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

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Reply #2046 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:08am

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO!

I think ZERO is a good number when relating to Gun Massacres.

The question is......what is the reason? Why haven't there been any (some define a massacre is when 3 or more victims are brutally murdered at the same event) massacres using firearms in Australia.

The Anti-Gunners cheer on boastfully that it's because of Australia's tough Gun Laws since 1996!

Is that true....is that the reason?

Could it be pure good luck?

Or, could it just that the law of averages just hasn't caught up to us yet?

What actually kept the Lindt Cafe gunman from emptying his pump shotgun into his hostages, killing 3, 4, 5+ at any time during the siege?

He could have, so why didn't he?

Because of our big bad gun laws?

Why?

The fact is.....Australia presently has more legal firearms in public hands, more than before 1996. Crims have more too... They have access to many, many semi-automatic firearms too.

Hell, we've even had access to the scary lever action shotgun over the past few years too, & will again be getting our pie smeared hands on the new Adler thanks to Tony & friends.

➤➤➤ So, Anti-Gunners, with all those firearms legally (and illegally) in circulation, tell us again specifically how has your miraculous Gun Laws single-handedly stopped firearm massacres in Australia over the last 20 years?

Could it be something like pure luck?

Could it just be something to do with the law of averages just hasn't caught up to us yet?

Could it be that the laws on the books simply scare the lovin' bejisis out of all those hardened crims, & lunatics?

Specifically what is the definitive reason(s)?

Oh, & please cite your evidence that proves your statement(s) beyond reasonable doubt. Lips Sealed

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Reply #2047 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality.

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

4. Stricter licensing.

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts. Grin

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Reply #2048 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Panther, a combination of factors have made that zero a reality

1. Change in the types of guns generally available to every Tom, Dick and Harry. No semi-automatic guns means less chance for a gun nut to go crazy with them and kill "three or more" people at a time.

Queensland permits semi-automatics, & they are available elsewhere too.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/gun-licences/about-gun-licences/

2. Change in types of guns and licensing conditions. Firearms owners have been woken up. Their assumption that they have a right to own a firearm has been demonstrated to be false. They need to prove their need, they need to be a member of a firearms association and they must demonstrate their skill with and ability to safely store a firearm. They treasure their firearms and their licenses much more as a consequence.

So your gun owners are all completely sound of mind, now & forever? They will never let their cheese slide completely off their cracker, go grab their legal gun, load it, & take out their temporary insanity on a unaware pack of strangers? That isn't possible? Why? All because they treasure their firearms so so much, pass tests on gun usage & storage, & belong to gun clubs?

3. Heavier sentencing and more firearms checks, means that lax/recalcitrant gun owners have been penalised.

That keeps people sane does it? Why? Simply because of compliance penalties & storage checks?

4. Stricter licensing. Grin

ps. Good to see you're reading my posts.

So, those are your specific reasons why there haven't been any Gun
massacres since 1996?

By your reasoning then, you are saying that because of the laws on the books, there will never be another gun massacre in Australia?

Or, are you conceding that even though the gun laws have made it more difficult, if a once sane gun owner went berserk tomorrow, none of the present day firearms permitted to be owned anywhere in Australia could be used to perpetrate a massacre?

Somehow, I don't think your logic should make me feel all sorts of warm & fuzzy....

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Reply #2049 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

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Reply #2050 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

Nice tactic.

When confronted by facts about gun laws, which shoot down your "argument" in flames (in a thread dedicated to gun laws), change the subject to something else.

Nice going.

I expect we'll be hearing about the road toll any minute now.

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Reply #2051 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

Nice tactic.

When confronted by facts about gun laws, which shoot down your "argument" in flames (in a thread dedicated to gun laws), change the subject to something else.

Nice going.

I expect we'll be hearing about the road toll any minute now.

Not from me GP, not from me....I know that that's a different kettle of fish, but while we're there, what about the woman who murdered massacred her kids by driving into a dam? The mindset was there, but her choice of weapon

on that day

was a car, not a gun.....or was it the water? Never mind....you get the point I'm sure. Wink

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Reply #2052 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

Nice tactic.

When confronted by facts about gun laws, which shoot down your "argument" in flames (in a thread dedicated to gun laws), change the subject to something else.

Nice going.

I expect we'll be hearing about the road toll any minute now.

The hoplophobes claim no mass shootings since 1996, what about Monash University did he use a semi auto or do the hoplophobes ignore this one in bullshitting about no mass shootings

The worst mass murderer in NSW lit a fire, of course the peccahead hoplophobes think death by fire is preferable to being shot.

The stats I saw for Victoria show more homicides are done with cars than guns, culpable driving causing death outnumbers firearm homicides in that state.

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Reply #2053 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

Either way, seems to be doing an adequate job. How many gun massacres in Australia since 1996? ZERO! Grin

There have been axe, knife and fire massacres since then, but they are good massacres and should be ignored as irrelevant.

Nice tactic.

When confronted by facts about gun laws, which shoot down your "argument" in flames (in a thread dedicated to gun laws), change the subject to something else.

Nice going.

I expect we'll be hearing about the road toll any minute now.

The fact is we still have massacres, but since it wasn't with a gun, it is some how accepted and ignored. Like being stabbed to death is better than being shot to death.

If you don't want massacres discussed you may want the poster to not mention massacres and only talk about guns.

It will a very narrow discussion, but Im fine with it.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 142093 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2054 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:06pm Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm: The stats I saw for Victoria show more homicides are done with cars than guns, culpable driving causing death outnumbers firearm homicides in that state. There we go. Right on cue.
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