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Reply #2025 - Aug 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 19^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

It seems that its illegal only if you have a weapon for that purpose. if you improvise you are ok./

So correct me..........if I'm wrong. Roll Eyes

Government has the right to tell me how I can defend my life, & with what I can defend my life, or the lives of my family, or the lives of my friends.

Government has the right to say I don't have the right to defend or protect lives with a firearm......specifically with a pistol, why, because that pistol might jump out of my hand, run up to a psycho, put the psycho in a trance, then force that psycho to pick it up, & then by it's overwhelming powers of suggestion, make that psycho become a mass murderer?

Done laughing?

Now, that's just plain stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,Right?

Is it any more stupid than government having the right to tell anyone how they can defend & protect their life with in the first place? Shocked

Am I missing something....I certainly hope so, but if I am, where??

Well the problem has been excessive force.

Let's say you did have the right to carry a firearm for self-defense, & were carrying, please define what do you consider the use of excessive force when you believe your life is in danger because a drug crazed crim is holding a big knife on you while demanding money, & you have reason to believe he will probably kill you no matter how much you give him?

I'd be happy that he just has a knife, and not a gun.

As someone who has been on the wrong side of a gun multiple times, I assure you, Im much happier if they have knife.
Of course, they wont have a knife if its easy to get a gun......

Gun,,,,,,,Knife.....if your life is in jeopardy either way, without any realistic recourse, you're defenseless, & at their mercy (which probably won't end mercifully).

As for me, I'd rather slip out my Beretta, give him a quick warning to back off & flee, but if he insists on proceeding, which is highly improbable, but if he did I'd squeeze off 3 quick ones into his center mass without hesitation.

If that's considered excessive, tough, but in the end he won't threaten me or anyone else ever again.

Let the pompous "horse-hairs" have at me....I chose life.....mine rather than his....every time....full stop.

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Reply #2027 - Aug 20^th, 2015 at 6:08pm

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 19^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

It seems that its illegal only if you have a weapon for that purpose. if you improvise you are ok./

So correct me..........if I'm wrong. Roll Eyes

Government has the right to tell me how I can defend my life, & with what I can defend my life, or the lives of my family, or the lives of my friends.

Government has the right to say I don't have the right to defend or protect lives with a firearm......specifically with a pistol, why, because that pistol might jump out of my hand, run up to a psycho, put the psycho in a trance, then force that psycho to pick it up, & then by it's overwhelming powers of suggestion, make that psycho become a mass murderer?

Done laughing?

Now, that's just plain stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,Right?

Is it any more stupid than government having the right to tell anyone how they can defend & protect their life with in the first place? Shocked

Am I missing something....I certainly hope so, but if I am, where??

Well the problem has been excessive force.

Let's say you did have the right to carry a firearm for self-defense, & were carrying, please define what do you consider the use of excessive force when you believe your life is in danger because a drug crazed crim is holding a big knife on you while demanding money, & you have reason to believe he will probably kill you no matter how much you give him?

I'd be happy that he just has a knife, and not a gun.

As someone who has been on the wrong side of a gun multiple times, I assure you, Im much happier if they have knife.
Of course, they wont have a knife if its easy to get a gun......

Gun,,,,,,,Knife.....if your life is in jeopardy either way, without any realistic recourse, you're defenseless, & at their mercy (which probably won't end mercifully).

As for me, I'd rather slip out my Beretta, give him a quick warning to back off & flee, but if he insists on proceeding, which is highly improbable, but if he did I'd squeeze off 3 quick ones into his center mass without hesitation.

If that's considered excessive, tough, but in the end he won't threaten me or anyone else ever again.

Let the pompous "horse-hairs" have at me....I chose life.....mine rather than his....every time....full stop. http://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

Have you ever been in a situation where you needed your gun for self defense?

Im talking reality, not hypothetically.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2028 - Aug 21^st, 2015 at 10:33am

Ozzie doing a review of the Ruger SR 762 semi auto.

Queensland allowed Primary Producers to have semi auto centrefire a few years ago,no mass shootings done despite the fact they broke the 1996 NFA in allowing these firearms, when are other states going to follow and allow Primary Producers to have Category D licences?
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These type of licences are restricted to one Category D licence per property and a maximum of two Category D weapons.
The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence.
www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/licences/fire...

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Reply #2030 - Aug 21^st, 2015 at 12:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 10:33am:

Ozzie doing a review of the Ruger SR 762 semi auto.

Queensland allowed Primary Producers to have semi auto centrefire a few years ago,no mass shootings done despite the fact they broke the 1996 NFA in allowing these firearms, when are other states going to follow and allow Primary Producers to have Category D licences?
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These type of licences are restricted to one Category D licence per property and a maximum of two Category D weapons.
The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence.
www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/licences/fire...

You can get a cat D in Victoria too. Still limited to Pro shooters though.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2031 - Aug 21^st, 2015 at 1:33pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 20^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Have you ever been in a situation where you needed your gun for self defense?

Im talking reality, not hypothetically.

Yes, absolutely, more than once, & each time I used it them, the outcome was favorable for me.......I lived......& that's all I'm going to say about that......period....full stop.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2033 - Aug 21^st, 2015 at 3:42pm

The life we have was given to us by a higher power, a power greater than any government on the planet. It was intrusted to us, not government, & it is our responsibility to protect it, not government's.....who can't & won't.

We must begin taking back responsibility for our own protection, & a curse on anyone that tries to stand between.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2034 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed. "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2035 - Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
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Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #2036 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:35pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 10:33am:

Ozzie doing a review of the Ruger SR 762 semi auto.

Queensland allowed Primary Producers to have semi auto centrefire a few years ago,no mass shootings done despite the fact they broke the 1996 NFA in allowing these firearms, when are other states going to follow and allow Primary Producers to have Category D licences?
Quote:

These type of licences are restricted to one Category D licence per property and a maximum of two Category D weapons.
The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence.
www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/licences/fire...

You can get a cat D in Victoria too. Still limited to Pro shooters though.

Yes Professional shooters can have Cat D.

Queensland is the only state that allows Primary Producers (as defined by tax dept) to have Cat D semi auto centrefire rifles.

Other states should follow Qld in allowing Primary Producers to have Cat D

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Reply #2037 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 10:33am:

Ozzie doing a review of the Ruger SR 762 semi auto.

Queensland allowed Primary Producers to have semi auto centrefire a few years ago,no mass shootings done despite the fact they broke the 1996 NFA in allowing these firearms, when are other states going to follow and allow Primary Producers to have Category D licences?
Quote:

These type of licences are restricted to one Category D licence per property and a maximum of two Category D weapons.
The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence.
www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/licences/fire...

You can get a cat D in Victoria too. Still limited to Pro shooters though.

Yes Professional shooters can have Cat D.

Queensland is the only state that allows Primary Producers (as defined by tax dept) to have Cat D semi auto centrefire rifles.

Other states should follow Qld in allowing Primary Producers to have Cat D

why?

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Reply #2038 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:23pm

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

How do agree with the second statement while espousing gun control?
Just curious how you rationalize acting in a way diametrically opposed to a statement while agreeing with it.

I may be wrong but i don't understand how you can be christian and advocate carrying weapons. Especially for self defense.

There is no part of the bible that says "If he strikes you turn the other cheek. Unless your packing in which case fill that sucker full of holes"

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Reply #2039 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51pm:

The higher power politely requests that you remain unarmed.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)

I agree with the second statement, the first statement...that , me thinks, is just you being a hapless ventriloquist......... Grin

A concealed firearm, carried by a law-abiding citizen, never needs to be brandished unless there is an absolute need for it. If the need presents itself, he has the right to use whatever he decides to protect & defend his life, & no government or person has the right to choose for him.
Wink

Governmental Gun Control is not about controlling guns, it's all about controlling people.

How do agree with the second statement while espousing gun control?
Just curious how you rationalize acting in a way diametrically opposed to a statement while agreeing with it. [/highlight]

I may be wrong but i don't understand how you can be christian and advocate carrying weapons. Especially for self defense.

There is no part of the bible that says "If he strikes you turn the other cheek. Unless your packing in which case fill that sucker full of holes"

Espouse gun control?????.....far, far from espousing gun control, I am absolutely opposed to virtually every precept of gun control.

You obviously don't understand the verb to espouse.

Gun control wasn't & isn't for saving lives, it's flat out governmental control over the people governed.

As far as turn the other cheek, you obviously got the wrong guy to test that one on.....come at me....you will test my wrath, not enjoy any shelter from it!

My Creator entrusted my life to me, & I respect His gift by protecting it from harm, by any means I so chose. That is my personal responsibility & obligation, not a responsibility I'd abdicate to government. Wink

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