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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1995 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Recreational hunters are category A and B hotbreath, where does it say recreational hunters can have Cat C or D firearms?

Strawman argument, I never claimed they did.

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Cat C is for primary producers and Olympic clay shooters

Cat D is for professional shooters who derive income from shooting, they must produce contracts to shoot and proof of income before Cat D licence can be issued

You really are ignorant of our laws hoplophobic hot breath.

I have demonstrated I know more about firearms laws than you seem to believe Baron. Stop being a gun nut! Grow up and throw away your toys. Be a man for a change! Grin

I have a legal obligation under the Rural lands Protection Act 1998 to eradicate feral pests by any lawful method, I choose to use a gun.

You should grow up HB and stop being a dopey bigoted hoplophobe.

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

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Reply #1996 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Depends who is holding them really.

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

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Reply #1997 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

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Reply #1998 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

I'm not disputing that it is possible to legally acquire a semi-auto.
I dont see the relevance of the article referenced. I agree that he needs to do some pest control. I don't see why a semi auto would help much.

My question is, What rural activities are semi automatics more suited to than bolt actions?

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Reply #1999 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:29pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

I'm not disputing that it is possible to legally acquire a semi-auto.
I dont see the relevance of the article referenced. I agree that he needs to do some pest control. I don't see why a semi auto would help much.

If you cannot see why a semi auto would help with large numbers of feral pigs I cannot help your ignorance on this.

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Reply #2000 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

I'm not disputing that it is possible to legally acquire a semi-auto.
I dont see the relevance of the article referenced. I agree that he needs to do some pest control. I don't see why a semi auto would help much.

If you cannot see why a semi auto would help with large numbers of feral pigs I cannot help your ignorance on this.

The limiting factor is repeat accurate aiming. not repeat fire. Unless your not aiming. When i started hunting i had a semi. I learnt that only the first shot counts, the rapid follow ups rarely hit anything. i moved to a bolt action and did better with that than the semi. its not like its hard to empty a mag on a bolt action without breaking cheekweld.

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Reply #2001 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

I'm not disputing that it is possible to legally acquire a semi-auto.
I dont see the relevance of the article referenced. I agree that he needs to do some pest control. I don't see why a semi auto would help much.

If you cannot see why a semi auto would help with large numbers of feral pigs I cannot help your ignorance on this.

The limiting factor is repeat accurate aiming. not repeat fire. Unless your not aiming. When i started hunting i had a semi. I learnt that only the first shot counts, the rapid follow ups rarely hit anything. i moved to a bolt action and did better with that than the semi. its not like its hard to empty a mag on a bolt action without breaking cheekweld.

With modern optics like Aimpoint and EoTech fast accurate aiming is easy, in fact the FAAST aerial culling regulations say a red dot optic is what should be used on your semi auto L1A1 SLR.

No contest in shooting multiple animals with semi auto compared to bolt action, they usually start running after the first shot so bolt action is lucky to get one third of what you could get with a good semi auto

That said semi autos are not generally as accurate as a good bolt action,most are only capable of 1MOA where a Tikka bolt action could get 0.25MOA

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2002 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:57pm I guess it depends how you hunt. If your trying to pump as many rounds as possible into a mass of animals a semi-auto is better. If your going for head shots you really want a bolt action. Personally I would rather miss a head shot than get a center mass gut shot.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2670 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2003 - Aug 12^th, 2015 at 8:57am "Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?" Yes, especially when a large number of animals have to be shot, as in the aftermath of a bushfire or in times of drought.
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Reply #2004 - Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

I guess it depends how you hunt.
If your trying to pump as many rounds as possible into a mass of animals a semi-auto is better. If your going for head shots you really want a bolt action.
Personally I would rather miss a head shot than get a center mass gut shot.

Head and heart shots are the go, a good heart shot takes out both lungs as well as the heart,nobody does center mass gut shots, if you accidently do one because the animal moved forward then perhaps a semi auto is preferable to shoot them again quickly instead of having them run off in agony to die a slow horrible death.

Hunters in New Zealand have been using semi autos with sound moderators for decades, it's only the hoplophobes in Australia who object to hunters using semi autos.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #2005 - Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:40pm Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm: Hunters in New Zealand have been using semi autos with sound moderators for decades, it's only the hoplophobes in Australia who object to hunters using semi autos. What a shame that all us hoplophobes seriously out number all you gun nuts and we live in a democracy Baron!
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Reply #2006 - Aug 14^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Hunters in New Zealand have been using semi autos with sound moderators for decades, it's only the hoplophobes in Australia who object to hunters using semi autos.

What a shame that all us hoplophobes seriously out number all you gun nuts and we live in a democracy Baron! Grin

Perhaps you should be stood up in front of us, just like in days past, when men are called to arms.

Then you just might be reminded just how much opinions are worth when push comes to shove.

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Reply #2007 - Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:50pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1389775225/1994#1994 date=1439262793][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1389775225/1993#1993 date=1439262053]

They are not toys they are tools. Cool

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

As I have already said it was the Victorian police minister and nationals MP who gained an exemption for farmers to have semi auto rimfire and shotguns back in 1996.
These guns have already been justified for Primary producers, I know you are a green supporter who would like to take them away.

Primary producers in Qld are allowed semi auto centrefire reversing the 1996 ban, probably used for things like this.
www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

I'm not disputing that it is possible to legally acquire a semi-auto.
I dont see the relevance of the article referenced. I agree that he needs to do some pest control. I don't see why a semi auto would help much.

If you cannot see why a semi auto would help with large numbers of feral pigs I cannot help your ignorance on this.

The limiting factor is repeat accurate aiming. not repeat fire. Unless your not aiming. When i started hunting i had a semi. I learnt that only the first shot counts, the rapid follow ups rarely hit anything. i moved to a bolt action and did better with that than the semi. its not like its hard to empty a mag on a bolt action without breaking cheekweld.

With modern optics like Aimpoint and EoTech fast accurate aiming is easy, in fact the FAAST aerial culling regulations say a red dot optic is what should be used on your semi auto L1A1 SLR.

No contest in shooting multiple animals with semi auto compared to bolt action, they usually start running after the first shot so bolt action is lucky to get one third of what you could get with a good semi auto

That said semi autos are not generally as accurate as a good bolt action,most are only capable of 1MOA where a Tikka bolt action could get 0.25MOA

A lot has changed since semi-autos were first introduced to the market. A top quality semi will shoot just as accurately as a bolt gun today. I own and shoot a Remington 700 with a 24in shilen bull barrel in .223 with a 6.5x20 Leapold veri scope. I also own and shoot a Doublestar AR-15 with a 20in bull barrel and 6.5x20 off brand scope. Both weigh about 10 pounds and are extremely accurate however the AR does make smaller groups at long distances.

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