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Reply #1980 - Aug 10^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

......What do you think the Gun Laws in Australia should be?

Strict regulation. Firearms should be limited to single shot or double barrels. Firearms owners should have to demonstrate their competency to own the firearm, through regular safety tests and must be a regular member of a firearms' owners' club. Their firearms should be stored safely, under 24 hour guard at the firearms' owners' club premise at their own expense. They should not be allowed to have a firearm in their home. Their ammunition should be regularly checked and cannot be stored in the home for more than 24 hours. They should have to undergo regular psychiatric checks. Any conviction for alcohol/drugs immediately rescinds their license as does any conviction for violence. Any court order places their license into suspension and they should not be allowed access to their firearms. Any complaint of domestic violence places their license into suspension and they should not be allowed access to their firearms. Any conviction against the firearms legislation means all their firearms are confiscated and destroyed. All firearms must be registered and electronically tagged with gateways that register the tags at the entrances/exits of their firearms' owners' clubs. All hunting is to be banned and all ammunition and weapons greater than .22 in calibre are to be confiscated and destroyed. No one younger than 18 to be allowed access to firearms. Grin

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Reply #1981 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

I think that guns should be legal, but controlled.
I don't think handguns have a place in society other than law enforcement or target shooting*.
I don't think military style weapons have a place in society other than the military.

*I accept that when hunting large predators a secondary sidearm may be useful, but this would only apply to animals such as lion or Bear which are not game species in Australia.

To legally hunt the big 5 in Africa apart from paying the taxes for a permit you need a minimum .375 cal.
A 44 magnum would be the sidearm for that.

It's illegal to hunt with a pistol in Australia.

Define military style weapon, would a Target rifle like the GAP-10 be considered a military type when they have target background?

Are Ruger SR 22 or SR762 rifles military type even though the 762 uses a gas piston which ar15-10 do not?

Is the Accuracy International sniper rifle a military weapon,AI have won many target shooting comps and are very popular,i think they hold the distance record for snipers,should there be a compensated confiscation of Accuracy International rifles?

I would define a military style weapon as one capable of automatic or semiautomatic fire feeding from a changeable magazine. The magazine requirement is probably surplus though.

I don't think the AI sniper rifle should be banned, its just a bolt action rifle in a AR style chassis.

So you think a Ruger 10/22 which is owned by many farmers is a military style weapon?
What about semi auto Remington shotguns that are also popular with farmers are they military style weapons?

The AI rifle is a military weapon which is Bolt action, it is not in an AR style chassis the AI chassis is unique with plastic sidecovers.

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1982 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

From OnLineOpinion:

"There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 8 August 2015 11:10:12 AM"

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17534&page=22

No refutations there, perhaps there is someone on here with the necessary cerebral capacity?

Nearly all the statements in your post are correct other than the assertion that Monis firearm was illegal.
His shotgun was a double barrel under and over. totally legal, I have one.
It was illegally modified however.

In relation to your statement that he was stopped by men with guns, Those men with gun also killed a hostage with crossfire. so maybe the guns were a mixed blessing Huh

Drink driving laws are useless because;
People are still caught drink driving every day.
People still choose to drink drive regardless of the law.
People are killed by drink drivers all the time in spite of the law.

Monis had a sawn off pump action, it's illegal to shorten any firearm.

Monis shot a fist size hole in that fat womans foot and hit a cop in the face with pellets.

We don't know what happened they never released the autopsy report,my money would be a ricochet or splatter causing the fatal injury over a direct hit.

I saw some statistics on culpable driving charges, about 60 homicides a year with people using their cars to kill people.
More people are charged with using a car to kill someone than using a gun to do it.

What is the implied relationship between automotive homicide and firearms laws?

The statistics I saw show more homicides are done with cars than guns in Australia.
Over 60 convictions a year for culpable driving causing death.

As for Sir Eoin we are seeing licenced firearm owners being banned from having a Adler lever action shotgun because of Monis and the Lindt siege.
Once again licenced firearm owners are taking it in the ass because of criminals who never held a firearm licence.

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Reply #1984 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:20am

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Don't have a problem with the stock or butt. I do have a problem with the provision of a higher-capacity separate box magazine Baron. That is what I think you'll find is the reason why it's been banned and its a good reason. Lets get rid of all guns! Grin

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Reply #1985 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:24am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

As for Sir Eoin we are seeing licenced firearm owners being banned from having a Adler lever action shotgun ...

Good to hear.

Customs have moved it to a prohibited import yet the Police say the Adler is fine for Cat A.

Technically it hasn't been banned until the firearms act is amended.

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Reply #1986 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

I think that guns should be legal, but controlled.
I don't think handguns have a place in society other than law enforcement or target shooting*.
I don't think military style weapons have a place in society other than the military.

*I accept that when hunting large predators a secondary sidearm may be useful, but this would only apply to animals such as lion or Bear which are not game species in Australia.

To legally hunt the big 5 in Africa apart from paying the taxes for a permit you need a minimum .375 cal.
A 44 magnum would be the sidearm for that.

It's illegal to hunt with a pistol in Australia.

Define military style weapon, would a Target rifle like the GAP-10 be considered a military type when they have target background?

Are Ruger SR 22 or SR762 rifles military type even though the 762 uses a gas piston which ar15-10 do not?

Is the Accuracy International sniper rifle a military weapon,AI have won many target shooting comps and are very popular,i think they hold the distance record for snipers,should there be a compensated confiscation of Accuracy International rifles?

I would define a military style weapon as one capable of automatic or semiautomatic fire feeding from a changeable magazine. The magazine requirement is probably surplus though.

I don't think the AI sniper rifle should be banned, its just a bolt action rifle in a AR style chassis.

So you think a Ruger 10/22 which is owned by many farmers is a military style weapon?
What about semi auto Remington shotguns that are also popular with farmers are they military style weapons?

The AI rifle is a military weapon which is Bolt action, it is not in an AR style chassis the AI chassis is unique with plastic sidecovers.

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Yes, since the Ruger and the shotgun are both semi auto I think they should be restricted.

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

I don't know why the addition of a tactical stock would make a rifle illegal, probably because it makes the gun look "scary".

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Reply #1987 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:28am

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Don't have a problem with the stock or butt. I do have a problem with the provision of a higher-capacity separate box magazine Baron. That is what I think you'll find is the reason why it's been banned and its a good reason. Lets get rid of all guns! Grin

It is banned because of the stock,you cannot have that stock in some states.

You are allowed a 10 round magazine for centrefire and 15 rounds for rimfire,anything bigger needs a Cat D licence

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Reply #1988 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

I think that guns should be legal, but controlled.
I don't think handguns have a place in society other than law enforcement or target shooting*.
I don't think military style weapons have a place in society other than the military.

*I accept that when hunting large predators a secondary sidearm may be useful, but this would only apply to animals such as lion or Bear which are not game species in Australia.

To legally hunt the big 5 in Africa apart from paying the taxes for a permit you need a minimum .375 cal.
A 44 magnum would be the sidearm for that.

It's illegal to hunt with a pistol in Australia.

Define military style weapon, would a Target rifle like the GAP-10 be considered a military type when they have target background?

Are Ruger SR 22 or SR762 rifles military type even though the 762 uses a gas piston which ar15-10 do not?

Is the Accuracy International sniper rifle a military weapon,AI have won many target shooting comps and are very popular,i think they hold the distance record for snipers,should there be a compensated confiscation of Accuracy International rifles?

I would define a military style weapon as one capable of automatic or semiautomatic fire feeding from a changeable magazine. The magazine requirement is probably surplus though.

I don't think the AI sniper rifle should be banned, its just a bolt action rifle in a AR style chassis.

So you think a Ruger 10/22 which is owned by many farmers is a military style weapon?
What about semi auto Remington shotguns that are also popular with farmers are they military style weapons?

The AI rifle is a military weapon which is Bolt action, it is not in an AR style chassis the AI chassis is unique with plastic sidecovers.

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Yes, since the Ruger and the shotgun are both semi auto I think they should be restricted.

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

I don't know why the addition of a tactical stock would make a rifle illegal, probably because it makes the gun look "scary".

They are restricted to Cat C, you need to be classed as a primary producer by the tax dept to have one.

Bill McGrath the Victorian Police minister who was a Nationals MP gained the exemption for primary producers to have semi autos.
He was a farmer who had to put down stock in the 1982 drought that is why Howard gave an exemption for primary producers as defined by tax dept.

The Tac21 stock which Remington sells from the Remington factory is illegal in several states,it's a ban based on irrational fears.

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Reply #1989 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:54am

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

I think that guns should be legal, but controlled.
I don't think handguns have a place in society other than law enforcement or target shooting*.
I don't think military style weapons have a place in society other than the military.

*I accept that when hunting large predators a secondary sidearm may be useful, but this would only apply to animals such as lion or Bear which are not game species in Australia.

To legally hunt the big 5 in Africa apart from paying the taxes for a permit you need a minimum .375 cal.
A 44 magnum would be the sidearm for that.

It's illegal to hunt with a pistol in Australia.

Define military style weapon, would a Target rifle like the GAP-10 be considered a military type when they have target background?

Are Ruger SR 22 or SR762 rifles military type even though the 762 uses a gas piston which ar15-10 do not?

Is the Accuracy International sniper rifle a military weapon,AI have won many target shooting comps and are very popular,i think they hold the distance record for snipers,should there be a compensated confiscation of Accuracy International rifles?

I would define a military style weapon as one capable of automatic or semiautomatic fire feeding from a changeable magazine. The magazine requirement is probably surplus though.

I don't think the AI sniper rifle should be banned, its just a bolt action rifle in a AR style chassis.

So you think a Ruger 10/22 which is owned by many farmers is a military style weapon?
What about semi auto Remington shotguns that are also popular with farmers are they military style weapons?

The AI rifle is a military weapon which is Bolt action, it is not in an AR style chassis the AI chassis is unique with plastic sidecovers.

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Yes, since the Ruger and the shotgun are both semi auto I think they should be restricted.

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

I don't know why the addition of a tactical stock would make a rifle illegal, probably because it makes the gun look "scary".

They are restricted to Cat C, you need to be classed as a primary producer by the tax dept to have one.

In Queensland. In most other states you need special permission and need to be a hunter.

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The Tac21 stock which Remington sells from the Remington factory is illegal in several states,it's a ban based on irrational fears.

No, their fears are well reasoned. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they haven't been reasoned. Grin

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Reply #1990 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

I think that guns should be legal, but controlled.
I don't think handguns have a place in society other than law enforcement or target shooting*.
I don't think military style weapons have a place in society other than the military.

*I accept that when hunting large predators a secondary sidearm may be useful, but this would only apply to animals such as lion or Bear which are not game species in Australia.

To legally hunt the big 5 in Africa apart from paying the taxes for a permit you need a minimum .375 cal.
A 44 magnum would be the sidearm for that.

It's illegal to hunt with a pistol in Australia.

Define military style weapon, would a Target rifle like the GAP-10 be considered a military type when they have target background?

Are Ruger SR 22 or SR762 rifles military type even though the 762 uses a gas piston which ar15-10 do not?

Is the Accuracy International sniper rifle a military weapon,AI have won many target shooting comps and are very popular,i think they hold the distance record for snipers,should there be a compensated confiscation of Accuracy International rifles?

I would define a military style weapon as one capable of automatic or semiautomatic fire feeding from a changeable magazine. The magazine requirement is probably surplus though.

I don't think the AI sniper rifle should be banned, its just a bolt action rifle in a AR style chassis.

So you think a Ruger 10/22 which is owned by many farmers is a military style weapon?
What about semi auto Remington shotguns that are also popular with farmers are they military style weapons?

The AI rifle is a military weapon which is Bolt action, it is not in an AR style chassis the AI chassis is unique with plastic sidecovers.

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Yes, since the Ruger and the shotgun are both semi auto I think they should be restricted.

Is there any farm shooting that a semi performs better than a bolt action?

I don't know why the addition of a tactical stock would make a rifle illegal, probably because it makes the gun look "scary".

They are restricted to Cat C, you need to be classed as a primary producer by the tax dept to have one.

In Queensland. In most other states you need special permission and need to be a hunter.

Hunters are not allowed a Cat C licence, hunters had to hand in their Ruger 10/22's and semi auto shotguns back in 1996.

You really have a profound level of ignorance with guns and gun laws HB.

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Reply #1991 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

When we look at the bolt action Remington 700 why is it illegal in most states with the tactical stock when all the other wooden and plastic stocks are legal, does the stock make it more deadly?
http://mdttac.ca/tac21-chassis-system.html

Don't have a problem with the stock or butt. I do have a problem with the provision of a higher-capacity separate box magazine Baron. That is what I think you'll find is the reason why it's been banned and its a good reason. Lets get rid of all guns! Grin

It is banned because of the stock,you cannot have that stock in some states.

Because it allows a higher capacity magazine to be added to the weapon...

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You are allowed a 10 round magazine for centrefire and 15 rounds for rimfire,anything bigger needs a Cat D licence

Assuming that the firearms owner is obeying the law, right Baron? Grin

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Reply #1992 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

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