gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 10:43am:


Criminals have great imaginations, and they probably have thought of more ways of getting pistols in than the cops have even ever imagined.
Just like drugs, make it worth their while, make it illegal, and thats just like daring them.
They will always be 2 steps ahead of the law.   

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 11:51am:


Get real. Like customs, catch one 5 get through. Like the drug war, its a losing battle. Before the ink was dry on their convictions they were replaced by more crims, smarter crims, wanting easy cash.

The demand is high, the price is higher, and the rewards are higher still. Laws do punish the crims, but only the ones they catch. Only a fool would believe that they catch more than get away.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 11:57am:



A drop in the ocean, Gizmo.  They were caught, that is all that matters.  They were punished. 

I doubt they even know how many actually slipped right past them and sold their guns on the black market, so forget about if they would tell us, they probably dont know!
Good laws minus any teeth or the people to enforce them.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:


I am concerned about all guns, Gizmo however, 200 versus several hundred thousand is as I've stated, a "drop in the ocean".   You appear to have a singular lack of proportion in this issue.   Yes, the criminals committed a crime but they were caught and punished.  The laws do work in that regard, now don't they?   I can't think of a single piece of legislation which stops something happening if a criminal wants it to happen, can you?   

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:


Ah, so now you're attempting to broaden the discussion, Gizmo.  I expect the punishment was within what the Courts normally hand out for such a crime.  I don't second-guess the Judicial Process, unlike most commentators, Gizmo 'cause I don't know sufficient about the case to actually make a judgement.   Only fools like yourself complain about the judgement based upon the sketchy reports they have to hand.

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Laws target people, not objects, Gizmo.   You have a gun, if it is legally owned, then you're not going to be punished unless you misuse it.   If it is illegally owned then you'll be punished if you're caught with it.   Rather simple really, don't you think?

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If you have any evidence about this "large number of groups bringing in illegal weapons" have you reported it to the authorities?  If you don't, then you are again leaping to judgement, not based on evidence but rather sketchy media reports.   Restricting legal ownership makes sure that weapons are more highly valued and hence less likely to be misused.  How many gun massacres have we had since the introduction of the UFL?   None.  QED.   

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:


So, you're just bullshitting then?   

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Sorry, I don't believe in defending your strawman arguments, Gizmo.  If you can't quote back to me where I have made such claims, I expect an apology.   I have never, ever made such outrageous claims.