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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1920 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 10:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Your answer is 'no'.

I thought so.

White flag accepted.

Yeah, when the Army of the 12 Monkeys gives you a colonoscopy, & you enjoy it wack nutz.

Tsk, tsk, DreamRyderX, resorting to ad hominem debate? Surely you can come up with a better argument than mere personal insults? Roll Eyes

I already owned him HERE, or hadn't your rapier fast intellect picked that up yet, nevertheless he being the foolish imbecile he is, insisted on imbecilic retort after retort, so I decided to answer him in kind just fer sh!tts & giggles...sorry if you were offended, if I knew you'd react that way I might have tried to be more ad hominem & insulting. Grin

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You have a penis longer than 3 inches, and you don't beat you wife.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1921 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 10:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Your answer is 'no'.

I thought so.

White flag accepted.

Yeah, when the Army of the 12 Monkeys gives you a colonoscopy, & you enjoy it wack nutz.

Tsk, tsk, DreamRyderX, resorting to ad hominem debate? Surely you can come up with a better argument than mere personal insults? Roll Eyes

I already owned him HERE, or hadn't your rapier fast intellect picked that up yet, nevertheless he being the foolish imbecile he is, insisted on imbecilic retort after retort, so I decided to answer him in kind just fer sh!tts & giggles...sorry if you were offended, if I knew you'd react that way I might have tried to be more ad hominem & insulting. Grin

Oh,, poor, poor, DreamRyderX. Roll Eyes

You have a penis longer than 3 inches, and you don't beat you wife.

You just wouldn't understand.

Yer envy 'ill get ya nowhere Kemosabe! Grin

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1922 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 10:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Your answer is 'no'.

I thought so.

White flag accepted.

Yeah, when the Army of the 12 Monkeys gives you a colonoscopy, & you enjoy it wack nutz.

Tsk, tsk, DreamRyderX, resorting to ad hominem debate? Surely you can come up with a better argument than mere personal insults? Roll Eyes

I already owned him HERE, or hadn't your rapier fast intellect picked that up yet, nevertheless he being the foolish imbecile he is, insisted on imbecilic retort after retort, so I decided to answer him in kind just fer sh!tts & giggles...sorry if you were offended, if I knew you'd react that way I might have tried to be more ad hominem & insulting. Grin

Oh,, poor, poor, DreamRyderX. Roll Eyes

You have a penis longer than 3 inches, and you don't beat you wife.

You just wouldn't understand.

Gramma ain't your strong point, is it, Billy Bob! Nor is your analogy appreciated.

Got issues? Get yerself some:

It helps if you keep dropping your 'r's.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1923 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

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Gun ownership has surged 10 per cent in NSW in the past 5 years,with one gun now registered for every nine residents.

And the biggest rises in gun ownership are in some of Sydney's most affluent areas,postcodes that encompass Neutral Bay,Pyrmont and Sydney's CBD, where the number of firearms has climbed by more than 60% since 2010.

Newcastle recorded an 81% increase in the number of people with a firearms licence in the same period.

Alarmingly, in 22 of the states 600 postcodes,registered guns outnumber people.

www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-ownership-rises-10-per-cent-across-nsw-20150730-ginwzw.ht...

I had a look at the 22 postcodes where guns outnumber people, they are remote rural areas with large properties and not many people, that sounds like fearmongering from the leftist media.

All gun crimes are down according to ABS stats despite the increase in guns, so much for that myth peddled by the greens that more guns equals more gun crime,we have been seeing gun numbers increasing to record highs while gun crime is at record lows.

www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4510.0main+features82013

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1924 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

[quote]Gun ownership has surged 10 per cent in NSW in the past 5 years,with one gun now registered for every nine residents.

And the biggest rises in gun ownership are in some of Sydney's most affluent areas,postcodes that encompass Neutral Bay,Pyrmont and Sydney's CBD, where the number of firearms has climbed by more than 60% since 2010.

Newcastle recorded an 81% increase in the number of people with a firearms licence in the same period.

Alarmingly, in 22 of the states 600 postcodes,registered guns outnumber people.

www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-ownership-rises-10-per-cent-across-nsw-20150730-ginwzw.ht...

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the largest growth in the number of registered gun owners was in the south-west, the site of numerous shootings over successive years.

[http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-ownership-rises-10-per-cent-across-nsw-20150730-ginwzw.html#ixzz3i5yLEs72]

So, does the growth pre or post date the number of firearms incidents? Grin

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Reply #1925 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Quote:

Gun ownership has surged 10 per cent in NSW in the past 5 years,with one gun now registered for every nine residents.

And the biggest rises in gun ownership are in some of Sydney's most affluent areas,postcodes that encompass Neutral Bay,Pyrmont and Sydney's CBD, where the number of firearms has climbed by more than 60% since 2010.

Newcastle recorded an 81% increase in the number of people with a firearms licence in the same period.

Alarmingly, in 22 of the states 600 postcodes,registered guns outnumber people.

www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-ownership-rises-10-per-cent-across-nsw-20150730-ginwzw.ht...

I had a look at the 22 postcodes where guns outnumber people, they are remote rural areas with large properties and not many people, that sounds like fearmongering from the leftist media.

All gun crimes are down according to ABS stats despite the increase in guns, so much for that myth peddled by the greens that more guns equals more gun crime,we have been seeing gun numbers increasing to record highs while gun crime is at record lows.

www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4510.0main+features82013

It reminds me of a clever quote, one that just so happens to explain the gun-grabbing, anti-gunner Left's conclusions about '
Gun Control
' to a "T".

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape,
torture, kidnapping, theft, murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1926 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:51pm

Panther wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Quote:

Gun ownership has surged 10 per cent in NSW in the past 5 years,with one gun now registered for every nine residents.

And the biggest rises in gun ownership are in some of Sydney's most affluent areas,postcodes that encompass Neutral Bay,Pyrmont and Sydney's CBD, where the number of firearms has climbed by more than 60% since 2010.

Newcastle recorded an 81% increase in the number of people with a firearms licence in the same period.

Alarmingly, in 22 of the states 600 postcodes,registered guns outnumber people.

www.smh.com.au/nsw/gun-ownership-rises-10-per-cent-across-nsw-20150730-ginwzw.ht...

I had a look at the 22 postcodes where guns outnumber people, they are remote rural areas with large properties and not many people, that sounds like fearmongering from the leftist media.

All gun crimes are down according to ABS stats despite the increase in guns, so much for that myth peddled by the greens that more guns equals more gun crime,we have been seeing gun numbers increasing to record highs while gun crime is at record lows.

www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4510.0main+features82013

It reminds me of a clever quote, one that just so happens to explain the gun-grabbing anti-gunners reasoning about '
Gun Control
' to a "T".

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

So I guess rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder rates in Australia are soaring out of control?

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1928 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

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So I guess rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder rates in Australia are soaring out of control?

Are you trying to say that if the rate of crime & reported incidents are just one (1) less than your cutoff for "soaring out of control", then the levels for rape, kidnapping, torture, theft, & murder are fine the way they are, are somehow acceptable?

Sounds like it......if they weren't "soaring out of control", they must be acceptable...right?

Actually, your awkward query has absolutely nothing to do with the quote I posted, but it sounds like it must have hit a nerve for you
to have to deflect away from it!

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Reply #1929 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

No what I am suggesting is that if

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

were really true, the gun control we have here, would mean that murder rates would be higher than countries with poor gun control.

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Reply #1930 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

No what I am suggesting is that if

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

were really true, the gun control we have here, would mean that murder rates would be higher than countries with poor gun control.

Again, your awkward argument is just a smokescreen away from the quote I posted.....address the quote, not your smokescreen & dodge routine.

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Reply #1931 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:37pm

Panther wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

No what I am suggesting is that if

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

were really true, the gun control we have here, would mean that murder rates would be higher than countries with poor gun control.

Again, your awkward argument is just a smokescreenm away from the quote I posted.....address the quote, not your smokescreen.

I did, its obviously false.

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Reply #1932 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

No what I am suggesting is that if

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

were really true, the gun control we have here, would mean that murder rates would be higher than countries with poor gun control.

Again, your awkward argument is just a smokescreenm away from the quote I posted.....address the quote, not your smokescreen.

I did, its obviously false.

I agree, as the quote suggests, the reasoning in support of 'Gun Control' is false.....

The argument that the gun-grabbing anti-gunners reason with about 'Gun Control' is patently false, criminals will never become honorable, law-abiding citizens, & the only people that these 'Gun Control' laws actually affect are the law-abiding citizen gun owners of Australia, while these laws do absolutely nothing about criminals & crime.

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Reply #1933 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Panther wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

No what I am suggesting is that if

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

were really true, the gun control we have here, would mean that murder rates would be higher than countries with poor gun control.

Again, your awkward argument is just a smokescreenm away from the quote I posted.....address the quote, not your smokescreen.

I did, its obviously false.

I agree, as the quote suggests, the reasoning in support of 'Gun Control' is false.....

The argument that the gun-grabbing anti-gunners reason with about 'Gun Control' is patently false, criminals will never become honorable, law-abiding citizens, & the only people that these 'Gun Control' laws actually affect are the law-abiding citizen gun owners of Australia, while these laws do absolutely nothing about criminals & crime.

I'd take the opposite view from that and say whilst the laws don't seem to make a difference, that if you look at the US where the murder rates are higher, obviously arming law-abiding citizens doesn't seem to do much either.

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Reply #1934 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

I am gun owner.

I live on a rural property, And use them for popping rabbits and the occasional critical veterinary situation ( horses and fences Cry

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Having lived through the transition from our earlier looser gun laws (semi autos,pump actions and easier licensing) to our present I can state that I prefer the current laws. Just about anyone can get a gun(if they have a requirement) with minimal cost and effort.

And there are less idiots rocking up at my place asking to burn through a few packs of 7.62 on their funky SKS's(who shoots a water tank, honestly Angry

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From a personal defense point of view owning your own gun is pretty useless, unless a civil war occurs. When someone rocks up and sticks a gun in your face it doesn't matter what guns you own, they are to far away to help you. Karate is much more effective and you don't need a permit.

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