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Reply #1860 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 5:57pm
 
Three million guns is more than enough

Australians own as many guns as in 1996

Guns are back

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In an ABC news report published on November 12, 2011, it was noted, 'In the 15 years since Martin Bryant killed 35 people at the popular Tasmanian tourist site, the flow of firearms into Australia has eclipsed the amount recovered in the government funded buy-back scheme.'

The same report noted that in the 2010-11 financial year Australians imported more than 85,000 firearms, including 44,000 rifles, 12,000 shotguns and nearly 20,000 handguns and that in the preceding 16 months 47,000 new guns have been registered in Queensland alone.

Recent research conducted by the University of Sydney and released in January, 2013, has confirmed that gun ownership in Australia has again consolidated at pre buyback levels.
While there was an initial spike in gun purchases in Australia when owners of now-banned multi-shot rifles and shotguns replaced their weapons with single-fire guns in the four years after Port Arthur, gun imports fell and remained stagnant. The lowest number of imports in a financial year - just under 18,000 - was recorded in 1998-99.

The recent University of Sydney research shows that the trade has now recovered, with a steady increase in the 10 years since, peaking at 66,461 guns imported into Australia in 2009/10, the highest number in 13 years.

Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University's School of Public Health, has stated, 'Since 1988, when the first of several mass shootings took place, 38 state and federal gun amnesties ran for well over 3000 weeks.

If we include all the gun owners who sent their weapons to the smelter without asking for money, the real total is a million firearms destroyed, or a third of the national private arsenal. That's many more than we usually talk about.'

Commenting on the replenishment of Australian gun stocks, Professor Alpers has noted, 'By mid-2012, following a steady 10-year upward trend in gun buying, Australians had restocked the national stockpile of private guns to pre-Port Arthur levels. They did this by importing 1,055,082 firearms, an average of 43,961 each year since destruction programs began.'

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Reply #1861 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:09pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
Three million guns is more than enough

Australians own as many guns as in 1996

Guns are back

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In an ABC news report published on November 12, 2011, it was noted, 'In the 15 years since Martin Bryant killed 35 people at the popular Tasmanian tourist site, the flow of firearms into Australia has eclipsed the amount recovered in the government funded buy-back scheme.'

The same report noted that in the 2010-11 financial year Australians imported more than 85,000 firearms, including 44,000 rifles, 12,000 shotguns and nearly 20,000 handguns and that in the preceding 16 months 47,000 new guns have been registered in Queensland alone.

Recent research conducted by the University of Sydney and released in January, 2013, has confirmed that gun ownership in Australia has again consolidated at pre buyback levels.
While there was an initial spike in gun purchases in Australia when owners of now-banned multi-shot rifles and shotguns replaced their weapons with single-fire guns in the four years after Port Arthur, gun imports fell and remained stagnant. The lowest number of imports in a financial year - just under 18,000 - was recorded in 1998-99.

The recent University of Sydney research shows that the trade has now recovered, with a steady increase in the 10 years since, peaking at 66,461 guns imported into Australia in 2009/10, the highest number in 13 years.

Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University's School of Public Health, has stated, 'Since 1988, when the first of several mass shootings took place, 38 state and federal gun amnesties ran for well over 3000 weeks.

If we include all the gun owners who sent their weapons to the smelter without asking for money, the real total is a million firearms destroyed, or a third of the national private arsenal. That's many more than we usually talk about.'

Commenting on the replenishment of Australian gun stocks, Professor Alpers has noted, 'By mid-2012, following a steady 10-year upward trend in gun buying, Australians had restocked the national stockpile of private guns to pre-Port Arthur levels. They did this by importing 1,055,082 firearms, an average of 43,961 each year since destruction programs began.'

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And how many of those imported firearms were imported illegally?

Funny how you could rejoice about the number of illegal/unlicensed firearms being taken off the streets on one hand and then complain that the replacements were taken up by legally licensed individuals.

What was it about your time in the Army? Weren't you allowed to play with the big toys?

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Reply #1862 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:43pm
 
Lionel, you appear to have missed the boat with what I've been arguing all along.

Personally, I prefer there were no firearms in private hands.  However, I am quite willing to recognise that is unlikely to ever happen.  In that case, the types of firearms needs to be limited.   No fully-automatic/semi-automatic long arms or pump action shotguns.   Fewer semi-automatic pistols, if possible.

In the meantime, I was just correcting DreamRyderX's unacceptance of the reality - today there are more legally owned firearms in private hands in Australia than there were in 1996.  I'd have thought you'd have been joyful at that and would have attacked DreamRyderX's stance on the matter.   Or is that because he's pro-gun you're willing to accept any sort of tosh from him?   Instead, you attack me!  Tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes

As we are discussing legally owned firearms, you can't legally own an illegally imported firearms, Lionel.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #1863 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 8:06am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:43pm:
Lionel, you appear to have missed the boat with what I've been arguing all along.

Personally, I prefer there were no firearms in private hands.  However, I am quite willing to recognise that is unlikely to ever happen.  In that case, the types of firearms needs to be limited.   No fully-automatic/semi-automatic long arms or pump action shotguns.   Fewer semi-automatic pistols, if possible.

In the meantime, I was just correcting DreamRyderX's unacceptance of the reality - today there are more legally owned firearms in private hands in Australia than there were in 1996.  I'd have thought you'd have been joyful at that and would have attacked DreamRyderX's stance on the matter.   Or is that because he's pro-gun you're willing to accept any sort of tosh from him?   Instead, you attack me!  Tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes

As we are discussing legally owned firearms, you can't legally own an illegally imported firearms, Lionel.    Roll Eyes


And I stand by my statement that there are more firearms in Criminal hands than before 1996 (& to keep context....due to the failings of all successive governments.)

I agree, & will stipulate, that overall there are more firearms in the hands of people within Australia than there were prior to 1996, but for Bwian to cavalierly imply that they only became accessible to private hands, & by private hands Bwian is either saying that the never make it to criminal hands, or that all the new firearms are legally owned & maintained, points he has never proven.

If his argument comes to the conclusion that my assertion "they have allowed more firearms into criminal hands now, than ever were there before 1996" is totally incorrect, because he states, & I quote, "There are many times more now firearms in private hands than there were before 1996......  Your point is invalid."  then what is the basis of his argument? I submit he has none, & is merely blowing smoke up all our assholes. 

In the end his assertions either way, as Lionel seems to agree, are laughably pedantic, to the point of being absolutely ludicrous.  Wink
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Reply #1864 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 8:37am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:43pm:
Lionel, you appear to have missed the boat with what I've been arguing all along.

No Bwian, it is quite obvious you have, unless you're discussing subjects solely within your own mind!  Grin Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:43pm:
......As we are discussing legally owned firearms, you can't legally own an illegally imported firearms, Lionel.    Roll Eyes


Incorrect, the argument is into who's hands have post 1996 firearms fallen, & because I've stated that "...they have allowed more firearms into criminal
hands now, than ever were there before 1996..." you boldly say deeming my point invalid that  "There are many times more now firearms in private hands than there were before 1996........Your point is invalid. "

That statement "your point is invalid" is the point of discussion, we are not only discussing only legally owned firearms. From what part of, with all due respect, of your cavernous asshole you pulled that from is beyond imagination Bwian. Wink
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Reply #1865 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 11:53am
 
Same old, same old, I see.  My enforced absence hasn't changed the tone of the conversation, I note.  Still gun nuts flaming sensible people.   Funny that.

Guns are not the answer to all problems.  Guns often are the cause of many problems and they exacerbate the others.   I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home?   What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns?   Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1866 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:01pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 11:53am:
Same old, same old, I see.  My enforced absence hasn't changed the tone of the conversation, I note.  Still gun nuts flaming sensible people.   Funny that.


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Reply #1867 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:02pm
 
MumboJumbo wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:01pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 11:53am:
Same old, same old, I see.  My enforced absence hasn't changed the tone of the conversation, I note.  Still gun nuts flaming sensible people.   Funny that.


Hot Breath! When did you get banned?


I wasn't.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1868 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 11:53am:
Same old, same old, I see. 
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home?   What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns?   Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey? 


Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

John Howard didn't try to smear all law abiding firearm owners like you Hb,why do you try to smear all law abiding firearm owners HB are you a hoplophobic bigot?
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At no stage have I ever sought to describe or categorise the attitude of people who enjoy shooting or people who are shooters as being in anyway criminal or un Australian.
I have not used language which has thought to label or smear you or tens of thousands of law abiding citizens.
John Howard ,16th June 1996,Sale Victoria


A law abiding firearm owner will have their guns confiscated if they threaten their family with a gun the law is very clear on this,all the woman has to do is apply for an AVO
Why are you trying to smear all law abiding firearm owners as people who threaten their families with guns HB,are you an irrational hoplophobic bigot?
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11.General restrictions on issue of licences
5.(c)is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before application for the licence was made,been subject to such an order
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

An AVO will result in loss of firearm licence for 10 years and guns are confiscated,all they have to do is call the Police if they are threatened.

This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO,the list of charges he was on is also evidence he was not legally allowed to have that gun.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158586/Man-arrested-loaded-rifle-box-50-bullets-wa...

Such fun exposing the lies from hoplophobic bigots who use fear to demonise all law abiding firearm owners.


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Reply #1869 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:06pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
A law abiding firearm owner will have their guns confiscated if they threaten their family with a gun the law is very clear on this ...


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In that case, they would not be a law-abiding firearm owner.

Moreover, the guns would only be confiscated if the police were aware of the threats.

You do realise that hundreds of people break the law every single day, without ever being caught?
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Reply #1870 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO



Before he was charged, he was a law-abiding firearm owner.

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Reply #1871 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO



Before he was charged, he was a law-abiding firearm owner.



That guy never held a firearm licence peccahead,how can he be a LAFO if he never had a firearm licence?

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Reply #1872 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO



Before he was charged, he was a law-abiding firearm owner.



That guy never held a firearm licence peccahead,how can he be a LAFO if he never had a firearm licence?




Before he owned a gun, he was a law-abiding citizen.

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Reply #1873 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO



Before he was charged, he was a law-abiding firearm owner.



That guy never held a firearm licence peccahead,how can he be a LAFO if he never had a firearm licence?




Before he owned a gun, he was a law-abiding citizen.



Got any evidence for that or did you pluck it from your ass?
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Reply #1874 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:49pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
This guy was caught with a loaded gun while breaching an AVO, we know he can't be a law abiding firearm owner because the firearms act says he cannot have a firearm licence if he is subject to an AVO



Before he was charged, he was a law-abiding firearm owner.



That guy never held a firearm licence peccahead,how can he be a LAFO if he never had a firearm licence?




Before he owned a gun, he was a law-abiding citizen.



Got any evidence for that or did you pluck it from your ass?



The onus is on you.

I see you avoided this, too: You do realise that hundreds of people break the law every single day, without ever being caught, don't you?
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