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Reply #1800 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

So far, two people told me what they think.

Neither have negated the fact that Humans have the right to self-defense.

Neither of them have proven that your government can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal.

Neither of them have proven that the police, hired by your government to protect you, can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal when they aren't right there with you.

The fact remains very clear ...... when you need protection, the responsibility inevitably falls upon you yourself to take personal responsibility in providing for your own protection!

Having been like the vast majority of Aussies, and not actually been threatened by a violent criminal, its hard for me to determine the need.

LUCKY you.

What about the UNLUCKY Minority?

Call Phil Walsh's widow & tell her & her daughter how LUCKY you were.

LUCKY streaks usually have a habit of ending when they are least expected.

Violent crime isn't going away anytime soon, you can count on that.

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Reply #1801 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

So far, two people told me what they think.

Neither have negated the fact that Humans have the right to self-defense.

Neither of them have proven that your government can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal.

Neither of them have proven that the police, hired by your government to protect you, can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal when they aren't right there with you.

The fact remains very clear ...... when you need protection, the responsibility inevitably falls upon you yourself to take personal responsibility in providing for your own protection!

Having been like the vast majority of Aussies, and not actually been threatened by a violent criminal, its hard for me to determine the need.

LUCKY you.

What about the UNLUCKY Minority?

Call Phil Walsh's widow & tell her & her daughter how LUCKY you were.

LUCKY streaks usually have a habit of ending when they are least expected.

Violent crime isn't going away anytime soon, you can count on that.

Given that Phil Walsh was murdered by his son in his home, I doubt giving him a gun would have helped.

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Reply #1802 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

So far, two people told me what they think.

Neither have negated the fact that Humans have the right to self-defense.

Neither of them have proven that your government can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal.

Neither of them have proven that the police, hired by your government to protect you, can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal when they aren't right there with you.

The fact remains very clear ...... when you need protection, the responsibility inevitably falls upon you yourself to take personal responsibility in providing for your own protection!

Having been like the vast majority of Aussies, and not actually been threatened by a violent criminal, its hard for me to determine the need.

LUCKY you.

What about the UNLUCKY Minority?

Call Phil Walsh's widow & tell her & her daughter how LUCKY you were.

LUCKY streaks usually have a habit of ending when they are least expected.

Violent crime isn't going away anytime soon, you can count on that.

Given that Phil Walsh was murdered by his son in his home, I doubt giving him a gun would have helped.

Very generous of you to feel that way.

His son being his murderer means nothing to the fact that he was murdered violently.

Being it was in his own home doesn't negate the fact that he was murdered violently.

Ask his wife or daughter if they feel that way, that a gun couldn't have saved his life......ask them how they feel.

I doubt they would feel he couldn't have used gun to save his life, or are they as secure as you day to day, shrouded by your impervious, invisible safety & security.

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Reply #1803 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Ask his wife or daughter if they feel that way, that a gun couldn't have saved his life......ask them how they feel.

I doubt they would feel he couldn't have used gun to save his life, or are they as secure as you day to day, shrouded by your impervious, invisible safety & security.

Umm you seem to be unaware of what actually happened.

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Reply #1804 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:51am

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

So far, two people told me what they think.

Neither have negated the fact that Humans have the right to self-defense.

Neither of them have proven that your government can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal.

Neither of them have proven that the police, hired by your government to protect you, can protect you when your life, or the lives of your family, are threatened by a violent criminal when they aren't right there with you.

The fact remains very clear ...... when you need protection, the responsibility inevitably falls upon you yourself to take personal responsibility in providing for your own protection!

Having been like the vast majority of Aussies, and not actually been threatened by a violent criminal, its hard for me to determine the need.

LUCKY you.

What about the UNLUCKY Minority?

Call Phil Walsh's widow & tell her & her daughter how LUCKY you were.

LUCKY streaks usually have a habit of ending when they are least expected.

Violent crime isn't going away anytime soon, you can count on that.

Given that Phil Walsh was murdered by his son in his home, I doubt giving him a gun would have helped.

Very generous of you to feel that way.

His son being his murderer means nothing to the fact that he was murdered violently.

Being it was in his own home doesn't negate the fact that he was murdered violently.

Ask his wife or daughter if they feel that way, that a gun couldn't have saved his life......ask them how they feel.

I doubt they would feel he couldn't have used gun to save his life, or are they as secure as you day to day, shrouded by your impervious, invisible safety & security.

Anyone who thinks that putting a gun into that situation would have helped is a complete idiot.

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Reply #1805 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:54am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Ask his wife or daughter if they feel that way, that a gun couldn't have saved his life......ask them how they feel.

I doubt they would feel he couldn't have used gun to save his life, or are they as secure as you day to day, shrouded by your impervious, invisible safety & security.

Umm you seem to be unaware of what actually happened.

The only thing that matters here is the fact that the son killed the unarmed father by repeatedly stabbing him to cause his death.

End of story.

What about the hundreds of others that were luckier than Phil, or yet again, as unlucky. How many of them would turn down your magnanimous offer of a gun to protect themselves?

Sometimes just showing the gun, not having to fire it, stops a criminal in their tracks.

How many of them would turn down your magnanimous offer of a gun to protect themselves?

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Reply #1806 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Panther wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Ask his wife or daughter if they feel that way, that a gun couldn't have saved his life......ask them how they feel.

I doubt they would feel he couldn't have used gun to save his life, or are they as secure as you day to day, shrouded by your impervious, invisible safety & security.

Umm you seem to be unaware of what actually happened.

The only thing that matters here is the fact that the son killed the unarmed father by repeatedly stabbing him to cause his death.

End of story.

What about the hundreds of others that were luckier than Phil, or yet again, as unlucky. How many of them would turn down your magnanimous offer of a gun to protect themselves?

Sometimes just showing the gun, not having to fire it, stops a criminal in their tracks.

How many of them would turn down your magnanimous offer of a gun to protect themselves?

Sometimes just having it in your house increases the likelihood of its use against you.

I agree that if Phil Walsh actually had a gun in his house, he would not have been stabbed to death by his son.

He would have been shot using the gun.

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Reply #1807 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Sometimes just having it in your house increases the likelihood of its use against you.

I agree that if Phil Walsh actually had a gun in his house, he would not have been stabbed to death by his son.

He would have been shot using the gun.

The hoplophobes have no shame in telling lies.

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

The Police inspections for safe storage are notorious for asking non licensed wives if they can open the safe so police can inspect firearms, if a non licensed person opens the safe for the Police all the guns are confiscated and the license is revoked.

The son has a history of drug use he couldn't have a firearm license therefore even if guns were in the house he could not have legal access to them.

The gun grabbers never use facts they use emotion and fear to peddle their hoplophobia.

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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19188 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1808 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:40pm Emma wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 1:24am: This is just wrong. Australians have a right to self-defence and can own weapons for self-defence - Brian Ross. So what legislation can you quote to substantiate this view BR.? He will cite nothing and continue to troll this forum because nobody goes to his sad forum.
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Reply #1810 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Sometimes just having it in your house increases the likelihood of its use against you.

I agree that if Phil Walsh actually had a gun in his house, he would not have been stabbed to death by his son.

He would have been shot using the gun.

The hoplophobes have no shame in telling lies.

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

So I guess what Phil Walsh should have said to his son was hang on please, I just need to open my safe before you stab me.

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Reply #1811 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

So, people never break the law?

The consequences for non compliance with this law is guns confiscated and firearms license revoked, I don't know any firearm owners who break this law.

Of course hoplophobic peccaheads like you try to tar all law abiding gun owners as criminals.

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Reply #1812 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Sometimes just having it in your house increases the likelihood of its use against you.

I agree that if Phil Walsh actually had a gun in his house, he would not have been stabbed to death by his son.

He would have been shot using the gun.

The hoplophobes have no shame in telling lies.

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

So I guess what Phil Walsh should have said to his son was hang on please, I just need to open my safe before you stab me.

Yes he would have to open the safe, in some cases take a trigger lock off or fit the bolt which is to be stored elsewhere depending on state laws.

Then he would have to unlock the ammo which by law cannot be stored with the gun it has to be locked up separately.

If you have one loose round of ammo in your safe kiss your guns and license goodbye.

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Reply #1813 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

So, people never break the law?

The consequences for non compliance with this law is guns confiscated and firearms license revoked, I don't know any firearm owners who break this law.

Of course hoplophobic peccaheads like you try to tar all law abiding gun owners as criminals.

What about the ones like me who judge them as unnecessary?

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Reply #1814 - Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Sometimes just having it in your house increases the likelihood of its use against you.

I agree that if Phil Walsh actually had a gun in his house, he would not have been stabbed to death by his son.

He would have been shot using the gun.

The hoplophobes have no shame in telling lies.

How can a gun be used against you when by law it has to be stored in a safe?

So I guess what Phil Walsh should have said to his son was hang on please, I just need to open my safe before you stab me.

Yes he would have to open the safe, in some cases take a trigger lock off or fit the bolt which is to be stored elsewhere depending on state laws.

Then he would have to unlock the ammo which by law cannot be stored with the gun it has to be locked up separately.

If you have one loose round of ammo in your safe kiss your guns and license goodbye.

So either he has a gun in the open which would have been used against him or he has a gun in a safe which no one can use.

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