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Reply #1755 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

If you cannot quote what you claim, Baron that makes it a what? I won't use the word "lie" 'cause that's too easy. How about a non-truthful statement based upon ignorance? Roll Eyes

Now, you appear to have accepted that your claims are not truthful 'cause you haven't been able to quote the legislation which you claim prevents women or others from carrying weapons for self-defence. Roll Eyes

BR you are such a tool. Roll Eyes

Perhaps you should actually think before you post such rubbish.

I know you just want to get your jollies by annoying people, and you succeed. Not admirable in any way, but HEH you are happy crappy TOOL.

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Reply #1756 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:48pm

Emma wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

If you cannot quote what you claim, Baron that makes it a what? I won't use the word "lie" 'cause that's too easy. How about a non-truthful statement based upon ignorance? Roll Eyes

Now, you appear to have accepted that your claims are not truthful 'cause you haven't been able to quote the legislation which you claim prevents women or others from carrying weapons for self-defence. Roll Eyes

BR you are such a tool. Roll Eyes

Perhaps you should actually think before you post such rubbish.

I know you just want to get your jollies by annoying people, and you succeed. Not admirable in any way, but HEH you are happy crappy TOOL.

Much easier to call me names than refute what I've said, Emma? How unsurprising. So, can you provide a link to the Baron's claimed post or not? Roll Eyes

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1757 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:51pm

Emma wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

WOW BR.!

Have the POLICE apologised to them? Have they? I haven't heard anything about that.

No idea, I admit, Emma. However, I don't doubt it will come.

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The media shutdown in operation. Especially in QLD where Police are seriously into overkill. Mind you lots of people, mainly mentally ill, have been killed by Police in Australia. I'd think.., if we ever had the op to get the info, that Police account for a large proportion of gun deaths in OZ. Perhaps not as much as men killing their partners and children, BUT CLOSE.
Imagine that ? Huh

Of course, WE the people aren't allowed to KNOW about this sort of stuff. We get a bit from local News, then it disappears. Amazing eh?
AND BR.. you ought to know that a woman isn't even allowed to carry hairspray, if they happen to feel the need for self-protection, and say so to a police person. Might spray it into some assaulters eyes.!! Roll Eyes

EEK, can't have that happening, because in the eyes of the Law, that is taking the Law into your own hands. Nope, not allowed Not allowed. . That constitutes a crime!!
YOU should know that, seeing as you are so full of this fact business. You can't carry a small pocket-knife, or a kubitan, or even a sharp comb, if you have it to feel self-protected. THAT is a fact BR. YOU know nothing whatsoever about it. That is also FACT.

If it is "fact", you should have no problems quoting the Legislation that makes this fact, well a "fact", Emma. I look forward to reading your post, quoting the Legislation... Roll Eyes

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Reply #1758 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:05am

BR?
Read the Weapons Act.. or whtever it is called. I am not a lawyer, neither am I a cop, and I am not interested in doing what you ask for.

If you are so sure of yourself YOU show US where it says its OK.
You are just deflecting by throwing out these challenges. Most people KNOW what you are questioning, so why do you insist on proof through legislative reference. Seems to me YOU need to do the research that backs YOUR CLAIMS, not the other way around.
Face it BR, you just don't have it. YOU cannot prove your claims. But as you seem to think it important, look it up for yourself. I 'm not playing your games, or trying to prove to YOU what I know. YOU PROVE YOUR CLAIMS. TRY and DO THAT, and maybe you'll gain a little credibility. Because as it stands you know diddly squat.

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Reply #1759 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:15am

POOR BR.. why is everybody picking on you..? BooHoo. You have to prove your position. Baron has put it up , YOU only make erroneous and ignorant statements.
That means you don't know what you are talking about, because I've never seen YOU post ANY legal references to support your views. I mean LEGAL references.
I have no respect for you, or your views, because all you do is ask everyone else to prove you are wrong. TRY proving you are correct. THEN, maybe people might respect you a little more.

Try it and then you can talk with some sort of authority. But you see? you cannot, because you are wrong. Go on and do the work. Or else stop talking BS.

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Reply #1760 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:35am

So? BR ..where is YOUR legislative proof of YOUR position.? ...If you are so sure then provide the PROOF. You should have no problems referencing the legislation shirley.
Not here is it, because it doesn't exist. Cheesy

Try as hard as you like, pleaasse.
I'd love to be able to carry for self-protection, legally, but I am not allowed to.

Prove your point, don't expect anyone else to do it for you.
You have the mouth but you have NOTHING to support your claim.
Come on, prove you are right by reference to legislation, just like you want us to. Should be easy for you to do that shirley.
SHOW US ALL to be wrong. Come on.. prove your
worth. Prove your claims.
Prove it
... or else shut your ignorant gob, you snake.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 43614	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1761 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:47pm I do not need to prove anything, Emma. You and your compatriots do, as you are making the claim. I require PROOF, Emma, not claims. Get back to us when you have the proof. Otherwise, stop spreading porkie-pies.
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Reply #1762 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

I do not need to prove anything, Emma. ...

Therefore all you have is opinion.

And opinions are worth what without references?

The point this gentleman makes at 1.26 is completely relevant:

" ... What has changed? It was not that the availability of guns suddenly exploded or increased, it was actually decreased. What had changed was societal decay. ... "

The same has happened to our society, it has decayed. And, against the wishes of both the Government and police, we are re-arming.

In our society, Brian, it is far,far easier for the police to harass the citizenry than it is to confront the criminal - that is left up to the citizens.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 43614	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1763 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm Australian society has changed, Lionel, not "decayed". Today, Australian society generally suffers far less crime than it did 25 years ago or even 100 years ago, when it was monocultural... That is a fact.
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Reply #1764 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Australian society has changed, Lionel, not "decayed". Today, Australian society generally suffers far less crime than it did 25 years ago or even 100 years ago, when it was monocultural... That is a fact. Roll Eyes

Not in the multicultural areas. Grin

A murder was big news in the old days. It happens every week in Sydney these days.

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Reply #1765 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

its lawful to purchase and carry pepper spray in W.A. weapons like batons and knives can be carried if you can prove a purpose, i.e. used for training

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Reply #1766 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 3:12pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Australian society has changed, Lionel, not "decayed". Today, Australian society generally suffers far less crime than it did 25 years ago or even 100 years ago, when it was monocultural... That is a fact. Roll Eyes

Not in the multicultural areas. Grin

A murder was big news in the old days. It happens every week in Sydney these days.

Now that's a FACT, ain't it! If it's not Sydney, it's the Gold Coast or some other 'multicultural' enclave.

And whenever was Australian society 'monocultural', Brian? It was a melange of misfits and criminals from day one - that eventually shaped itself into the quite unique 'Australian' ethos that had become recognisable worldwide.

Or, at least, it used to be.

Was it our 'monocultural' society that led those two Muslims to ambush a train of civilian picnicers at Broken Hill in 1915? Or was it something else? Something that is recognisable, even today?

And that's what we 'Australians' kick up about - the gradual dilution of that "Australian" character. The decay of that once great society where the battller could have a fair go and you didn't kick a man when he was down.

The guns at Port Arthur weren't the problem, Brian. It was the idiot that this decaying society had fostered.

At what point in time did having pride in a national identity become something to sneer about?

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Reply #1767 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Australian society has changed, Lionel, not "decayed". Today, Australian society generally suffers far less crime than it did 25 years ago or even 100 years ago, when it was monocultural... That is a fact. Roll Eyes

Not in the multicultural areas. Grin

A murder was big news in the old days. It happens every week in Sydney these days.

Two points: Sydney is not Australia. Stop comparing Apples and Oranges. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1768 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Australian society has changed, Lionel, not "decayed". Today, Australian society generally suffers far less crime than it did 25 years ago or even 100 years ago, when it was monocultural... That is a fact. Roll Eyes

Not in the multicultural areas. Grin

A murder was big news in the old days. It happens every week in Sydney these days.

Two points: Sydney is not Australia. Stop comparing Apples and Oranges. Roll Eyes

I'll let you in on something Brian. Sydney is multicultural. Melbourne is partly and nowhere else really is. Maybe a few other areas and some scattered communities. That's why I pointed out Sydney. Sydney is full of crime that wasn't there thanks to your multiculturalism. A man even chopped another mans head of in a busy shopping centre.

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Reply #1769 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

And whenever was Australian society 'monocultural', Brian? It was a melange of misfits and criminals from day one - that eventually shaped itself into the quite unique 'Australian' ethos that had become recognisable worldwide.

Or, at least, it used to be.

Was it our 'monocultural' society that led those two Muslims to ambush a train of civilian picnicers at Broken Hill in 1915? Or was it something else? Something that is recognisable, even today?

And that's what we 'Australians' kick up about - the gradual dilution of that "Australian" character. The decay of that once great society where the battller could have a fair go and you didn't kick a man when he was down.

A mythos that never existed, Lionel. Australian society was monocultural in that it was drawn primarily (but not exclusively) from the British Isles. Even there though, there was a definite pecking order, with the Irish and the Welsh at the bottom, followed by the Scots and of course, preceded over by the English. Always remember what Reverend Samuel Marsden said about the Irish, Lionel.

Drawing a similar source invariably resulted in similar outlooks. Not always a good outcome resulted.

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The guns at Port Arthur weren't the problem, Brian. It was the idiot that this decaying society had fostered.

So, you'd have preferred that he be abandoned and left to starve, Lionel? His attitudes were created by the society that surrounded him - primarily white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settler descended and of course, actually privileged.

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At what point in time did having pride in a national identity become something to sneer about?

When we are lambasted with it continuously in all theatres of life, Lionel. I am proud of being an Australian, I don't need see the need to force it down everybody's throat continuously as you and others appear to. Nor do I feel the need to have a gun. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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