Australian Politics Forum - Gun laws in Australia

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43614	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1740 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm: Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you. Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43614	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1741 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:25pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Australian law requires people to be defenceless,you are not allowed to have weapons for self defence. Care to quote the Legislation where that is announciated, Baron?
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Reply #1742 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Take your off topic nonsense elsewhere Mort and Marla.

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Brisbane police arrest three allegedly armed teenagers trespassing.

Gunshots heard on a logan property this afternoon might have been lawful.
Police are continuing to speak with 2 men and a woman following reports of gunfire on the private property in Logan village.

Two guns were seized by Police and the two men and the woman who are in their early 20's remain in custody at Logan Police station.
A police spokesman said while shots were fired on the property police now believe they could have been legal.
We now understood one of the men has a firearms licence,the shots were on private property and the owner was aware

It is believed the trio were shooting targets on a family members property when neighbors called police after hearing gunfire.

While initial reports suggested the accused were teens the police confirmed the 2 men and woman were in their early 20's

Polair located the group to ensure the property was secure for police.

couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/Brisbane-police-arrest-three-allegedly-armed-...

No charges we laid after Police arrested at gunpoint 3 people who were licensed and had permission to shoot on a property larger than the required minimum size by law, these 3 broke no laws and did nothing wrong.

What a waste of police resources including Polair to arrest and detain 3 people who broke no laws,they should sue the government for wrongful arrest.

Two questions, Baron:

Unless they arrested the people concerned, how could they ascertain if they were going about their lawful business?

Unless they arrested the people concerned, how could they ensure the safety of any bystanders/onlookers?

A mistake was made and no doubt an apology will be issued to the people concerned. The Police acted responsibly and with due caution IMHO. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43614	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1743 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:38pm Marla wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:04pm: Wow. Suburban Australia looks a lot like suburban southern California. I'm also willing to bet $1,000 Leyonhjelm is a NRA puppet. No, he's just a devoted follower of their viewpoint as far as firearms are concerned, unfortunately. Fortunately he's a lone voice in our Senate.
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Reply #1744 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

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Reply #1745 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Marla wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

It's the way of the intellectually bankrupt to claim he is NRA.

Oh, B-smacking S! "A good guy with a gun" is deffo NRA speak.

And pay attention! I never said he is NRA. He is a NRA puppet. You wants guns and the violence they bring, Australia? A nice person like him will make damn sure you get it.

We had 640,000 guns surrendered in the buy back,as of mid 2012 we had imported over 1 million guns to replace what was bought back.

We currently have our highest ever levels of legal firearm ownership while simultaneously having our lowest ever gun crime rates.

In Australia more legal guns has resulted in less gun crimes.
thebigsmoke.com.au/2014/10/20/australia-firearms-evidence-really-tells-us

You should hand your pistols in Marla they kill more people (over 6000 a year) compared to rifles which include assault rifles (330 a year) according to FBI stats.

In Australia, greater legal controls over who can and cannot own a firearm, a change in the types of firearms which can legally be owned and a greater acceptance of responsibility by firearms owners of their privilege entails is what has resulted in the lower firearms crime rate, Baron, not the number of firearms. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1746 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Marla wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Wow. Suburban Australia looks a lot like suburban southern California.

I'm also willing to bet $1,000 Leyonhjelm is a NRA puppet.

No, he's just a devoted follower of their viewpoint as far as firearms are concerned, unfortunately. Fortunately he's a lone voice in our Senate. Roll Eyes

He is not a lone voice bwian,Senator McKenzie and Katter also back him, they will not be found in inner city latte sipping leftists areas.

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Reply #1747 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

If you cannot quote what you claim, Baron that makes it a what? I won't use the word "lie" 'cause that's too easy. How about a non-truthful statement based upon ignorance? Roll Eyes

Now, you appear to have accepted that your claims are not truthful 'cause you haven't been able to quote the legislation which you claim prevents women or others from carrying weapons for self-defence. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1748 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Take your off topic nonsense elsewhere Mort and Marla.

Quote:

Brisbane police arrest three allegedly armed teenagers trespassing.

Gunshots heard on a logan property this afternoon might have been lawful.
Police are continuing to speak with 2 men and a woman following reports of gunfire on the private property in Logan village.

Two guns were seized by Police and the two men and the woman who are in their early 20's remain in custody at Logan Police station.
A police spokesman said while shots were fired on the property police now believe they could have been legal.
We now understood one of the men has a firearms licence,the shots were on private property and the owner was aware

It is believed the trio were shooting targets on a family members property when neighbors called police after hearing gunfire.

While initial reports suggested the accused were teens the police confirmed the 2 men and woman were in their early 20's

Polair located the group to ensure the property was secure for police.

couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/Brisbane-police-arrest-three-allegedly-armed-...

No charges we laid after Police arrested at gunpoint 3 people who were licensed and had permission to shoot on a property larger than the required minimum size by law, these 3 broke no laws and did nothing wrong.

What a waste of police resources including Polair to arrest and detain 3 people who broke no laws,they should sue the government for wrongful arrest.

Two questions, Baron:

Unless they arrested the people concerned, how could they ascertain if they were going about their lawful business?

A mistake was made and no doubt an apology will be issued to the people concerned. The Police acted responsibly and with due caution IMHO. Roll Eyes

The Firearms registry which the police administer should have the permission to shoot form for that property filed away somewhere bwian.

The police could have checked the firearms registry they administer to see if they have the documents giving permission to shoot from the owner.

The police have to approve every property with permission to shoot, there is a 40 acre minimum in Qld.

What is the point of having all this information in the firearms registry if the police don't even look at it,is this an example f the failure of the firearms registry.

They should sue for wrongful arrest

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Reply #1749 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

If you cannot quote what you claim, Baron that makes it a what? I won't use the word "lie" 'cause that's too easy. How about a non-truthful statement based upon ignorance? Roll Eyes

I have cited the legislation before bwian,go back about 50 pages and you will find it.

How many times do I have to cite it for dim wits like you,i can see why nobody bothers with your crappy forum hence your trolling here.

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Reply #1750 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Women are not allowed to carry anything for self defence in Australia, the police say to obey your attacker so he doesn't hurt you.

Please quote in the Legislation where that is stated, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please cite the legislation that makes it lawful to carry knives,pepper spray or batons bwian

If you cannot quote what you claim, Baron that makes it a what? I won't use the word "lie" 'cause that's too easy. How about a non-truthful statement based upon ignorance? Roll Eyes

I have cited the legislation before bwian,go back about 50 pages and you will find it.

Really? Where? Provide a link, Baron... Roll Eyes

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How many times do I have to cite it for dim wits like you,i can see why nobody bothers with your crappy forum hence your trolling here.

Ah, yes the usual resort to ad hominem debate when you're cornered. You really are so predictable, Baron. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1751 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

The Firearms registry which the police administer should have the permission to shoot form for that property filed away somewhere bwian.

Which was not available immediately, NOW, to the Police on the ground, Baron. Perhaps you'd like to see several millions of dollars providing a link to the database? Oh, that's right it needs to be kept up to date, doesn't it? So a few millions more then? Roll Eyes

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The police could have checked the firearms registry they administer to see if they have the documents giving permission to shoot from the owner.

Perhaps they should but they had reports of firearms being discharged NOW, Baron. What should they do NOW? Roll Eyes

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The police have to approve every property with permission to shoot, there is a 40 acre minimum in Qld.

What is the point of having all this information in the firearms registry if the police don't even look at it,is this an example f the failure of the firearms registry.

They should sue for wrongful arrest

They should accept the Polices' apology and get on with their lives and just put it down to life's experience. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1752 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:31pm

WOW BR.!

Have the POLICE apologised to them? Have they? I haven't heard anything about that.

The media shutdown in operation. Especially in QLD where Police are seriously into overkill. Mind you lots of people, mainly mentally ill, have been killed by Police in Australia. I'd think.., if we ever had the op to get the info, that Police account for a large proportion of gun deaths in OZ. Perhaps not as much as men killing their partners and children, BUT CLOSE.
Imagine that ? Huh

Of course, WE the people aren't allowed to KNOW about this sort of stuff. We get a bit from local News, then it disappears. Amazing eh?
AND BR.. you ought to know that a woman isn't even allowed to carry hairspray, if they happen to feel the need for self-protection, and say so to a police person. Might spray it into some assaulters eyes.!! Roll Eyes

EEK, can't have that happening, because in the eyes of the Law, that is taking the Law into your own hands. Nope, not allowed Not allowed. . That constitutes a crime!!
YOU should know that, seeing as you are so full of this fact business. You can't carry a small pocket-knife, or a kubitan, or even a sharp comb, if you have it to feel self-protected. THAT is a fact BR. YOU know nothing whatsoever about it. That is also FACT.

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Reply #1753 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

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Reply #1754 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Take your off topic nonsense elsewhere Mort and Marla.

Quote:

Brisbane police arrest three allegedly armed teenagers trespassing.

Gunshots heard on a logan property this afternoon might have been lawful.
Police are continuing to speak with 2 men and a woman following reports of gunfire on the private property in Logan village.

Two guns were seized by Police and the two men and the woman who are in their early 20's remain in custody at Logan Police station.
A police spokesman said while shots were fired on the property police now believe they could have been legal.
We now understood one of the men has a firearms licence,the shots were on private property and the owner was aware

It is believed the trio were shooting targets on a family members property when neighbors called police after hearing gunfire.

While initial reports suggested the accused were teens the police confirmed the 2 men and woman were in their early 20's

Polair located the group to ensure the property was secure for police.

couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/Brisbane-police-arrest-three-allegedly-armed-...

No charges we laid after Police arrested at gunpoint 3 people who were licensed and had permission to shoot on a property larger than the required minimum size by law, these 3 broke no laws and did nothing wrong.

What a waste of police resources including Polair to arrest and detain 3 people who broke no laws,they should sue the government for wrongful arrest.

Two questions, Baron:

Unless they arrested the people concerned, how could they ascertain if they were going about their lawful business?

Unless they arrested the people concerned, how could they ensure the safety of any bystanders/onlookers?

A mistake was made and no doubt an apology will be issued to the people concerned. The Police acted responsibly and with due caution IMHO. Roll Eyes

BR ? the footage from the POLAIR helicopter clearly shows three individuals target shooting. There were no people at risk. There was no cause for the massive police action.

The waste of resources in the follow- up should be answered for by the QLD police. But will it be answered.? Not IMHO. Just doing their job eh.?

Like the policeman who lost his fully loaded Glock whilst chasing someone on foot.

OOPS it fell out of the holster. HUH. He didn't notice.
Well gosh, what sort do we have in the FORCE these days. I'd have say INCOMPETENT. Seems the GLOCK was picked up and passed on to several others, according to the NEWS, and was recaptured after a home invasion.
Then.. the people that were faced with the weapon, were pulled up the next day?? or there abouts, by a random pullover, according to Police Roll Eyes

in a vehicle, and they were charged with having a loaded shotgun in the vehicle. The Magistrate said that just because they were subject to the earlier Home Invasion, didn't mean they had the right to carry an armed weapon in their car. WELL what do you make of that?

What I make of it is that our Gun Laws are totally ineffective. Only cops and crims basically ... have guns. OH yeah .. and the people who are licensed to own get police helicopter surveillance and massive police resources used against them.

Not good enough IMHO..

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