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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1695 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:54pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

... I used to be a butcher in the Army. ...

Funny you should say that, most servicemen would agree with you - that's exactly what bugger*d a lot of them up.

Don't confuse a Butcher for a Cook, Lionel. Roll Eyes

I don't think I am, Brian.

Did your duties as a cook preclude, or excuse you from your responsibilities and oaths as a member of the Army?

Ergo sum, you wore the butcher's apron.

I had the ECN of a Rifleman, first and foremost, Lionel. I never fired my rifle in anger. All I butchered were animals, Lionel. Roll Eyes

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Lionel Edriess

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1696 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:54pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

... I used to be a butcher in the Army. ...

Funny you should say that, most servicemen would agree with you - that's exactly what bugger*d a lot of them up.

Don't confuse a Butcher for a Cook, Lionel. Roll Eyes

I don't think I am, Brian.

Did your duties as a cook preclude, or excuse you from your responsibilities and oaths as a member of the Army?

Ergo sum, you wore the butcher's apron.

I had the ECN of a Rifleman, first and foremost, Lionel. I never fired my rifle in anger. All I butchered were animals, Lionel. Roll Eyes

Please do not misunderstand my allusion, but those at My Lai could have said the same thing.

As could countless others who thought they had a protected role in military actions.

What we are discussing here is when push comes to shove and the rights of defense against unwarranted aggression. The choice to die on your feet as opposed to dying on your knees.

Who has the right to limit that choice?

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1697 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:34pm the criminal government that prefers victims to stand-up citizens.
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Reply #1698 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:50pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Emma wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 12:01am:

Baron talks from the point of view of the man on the land. He has many useful things to say, but none of it considers it the right of a person to protect THEMSELVES, in their own home.

Come on people.. speak up.

Owning a gun for self defence was outlawed in 1996, this disarmed a lot of older women who wouldn't hurt anyone.

Russia has changed their laws,Russians can now own guns for self defence.
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In an amendment to it's tough gun control laws,the Russian government eases restrictions,allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of self defence
rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense

Russia changed their laws last year.

Thanks for that comment Baron. Most people never face that life and death moment, and really have no idea . Wonder what they would do if it came to the crunch. Hit them with a stick maybe. Huh

Can't imagine any Oz govt allowing the right to real self defense as a right.
Like we are denied freedom of speech , freedom of information and freedom of choice. Unless, of course the government considers it 'appropriate'.

Hard to believe eh?

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1699 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:52pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

Please do not misunderstand my allusion, but those at My Lai could have said the same thing.

Did they? I can't seem to remember any Butchers (by trade, not inclination) involved in the Pinkville massacre, Lionel... Roll Eyes

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As could countless others who thought they had a protected role in military actions.

Oh, I knew I had no protected role, Lionel. I was just a digger in a baggy-green skin carrying a rifle. I had no delusions that I could and would be used as cannon-fodder if the chips were down.

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What we are discussing here is when push comes to shove and the rights of defense against unwarranted aggression. The choice to die on your feet as opposed to dying on your knees.

Who has the right to limit that choice?

No one. However, you, like many pro-gun people assume that it is only possible to resist with a gun, for some strange unfathomable reason. Roll Eyes

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1700 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm 'Tis better to have weapon and not need it - than to need a weapon and not have it.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43631	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1701 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm Emma wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:34pm: the criminal government that prefers victims to stand-up citizens. Can you please point out to me a government in any country around the world that prefers the reverse, Emma?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43631	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1702 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:55pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm: 'Tis better to have weapon and not need it - than to need a weapon and not have it. You assume that guns are the only weapons available to you, Lionel.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1703 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:57pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:55pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm: 'Tis better to have weapon and not need it - than to need a weapon and not have it. You assume that guns are the only weapons available to you, Lionel. Don't start that rubbish again BR. Your stick doesn't cut it.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1704 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 12:01am Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm: 'Tis better to have weapon and not need it - than to need a weapon and not have it. So true Lionel. Folks against gun ownership seem to think that owning a gun means you are compelled to use it. WRONG.
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Reply #1705 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 3:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 2:11am:

"Ah, yes, so much easier to keep it all swept under the carpet, now isn't it, Mort? Of course, that doesn't solve the problems that racism cause, now does it?"

Oh Please Mr. Bryan don't call me a racist, I'll ignore any injustice if you just don't call me a racist.

I judge every person I meet based on how they act when we meet, not on an accident of birth. I could have looked like them and they could have looked like me and it would make no difference.

I met a woman from New Zealand in Seattle last week and she spoke so poorly of Australians I guessed she must know you!

When you spell my name correctly, Mort, we might be able to discuss something. Until then, I'll treat you with the contempt that you so richly appear to deserve. Roll Eyes

Gee whiz Mista Bryan Rose, you're as tetchy as marlan.

Anyone who could watch an unborn child dismembered and pulled from its mothers womb fits the very definition of contemptible!

Self Defense is a natural right of all creatures including people even if your government will persecute you for fighting to survive!

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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11727 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1706 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:14pm Mortdooley wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 3:01am: Self Defense is a natural right of all creatures including people even if your government will persecute you for fighting to survive! Can't be said any better........,well said!
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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1707 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Emma wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:54pm:

'Tis better to have weapon and not need it - than to need a weapon and not have it.

You assume that guns are the only weapons available to you, Lionel. Roll Eyes

Don't start that rubbish again BR.
Your stick doesn't cut it.

No, its not designed to cut, Emma. Roll Eyes

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1708 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 12:00am

Panther wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 3:01am:

Self Defense is a natural right of all creatures including people even if your government will persecute you for fighting to survive!

I note that Mort still can't spell my name. Roll Eyes

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Can't be said any better........,well said! http://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif

What a shame he is incorrect, Lionel. Roll Eyes

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1709 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

I have an old, registered, Anschutz 222 model 1532, low miles, with a bent barrel (courtesy of a careless mover, back in the day). I can put a Schilling barrel on it for about $250 bucks but I haven't used it for some time. Keep it or lose it?

$250 is cheap for a new barrel, I guess it's next to worthless with a bent barrel.

If you don't use it perhaps selling it is a good idea,might get a bit more sticking a new barrel on it,I have a Anshutz 1416 no plans to sell that.

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