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Reply #1650 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:09am
 
Emma wrote on Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:00am:

Paying people smugglers is people smuggling.. clearly illegal.  Doesn't matter where you send them .. you pay them you are criminal. Our government is criminal.
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well no thats wrong too. Paying people smugglers is not illegal. Although it should be.
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Reply #1651 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:16am
 
so tell that to the refugees we currently imprison  in atrocious conditions, in 'detention centres' because they allegedly paid people smugglers, and let them be free. !!!!!

Such hypocricy is truly sick, and our government gets praised for it. That is criminal.
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Reply #1652 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:37am
 
There is a real dearth of intelligent debate on this forum.
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Reply #1653 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:51am
 
why would you think that Big Ears?

But perhaps what I am really trying to express is that we have a government which is comprised of people with no ethical and/or rational views. Listen to any one of them and understand they only have their OWN interests at heart.
This seems to me to be undeniable. Of course, those equally lacking in humanity or ethical consideration will applaud them, and feel put upon when they are crticized for their inhumanity.
TOUGH.
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Reply #1654 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 2:45am
 
Why do you want a gun so badly, Emma?
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Reply #1655 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 10:44am
 
Emma wrote on Jun 24th, 2015 at 12:16am:
so tell that to the refugees we currently imprison  in atrocious conditions, in 'detention centres' because they allegedly paid people smugglers, and let them be free. !!!!!

Such hypocricy is truly sick, and our government gets praised for it. That is criminal.


It is not criminal if it is within the law. A majority of Australian voted for something to be done about the illegal immigration problem. You will remember that the Labor government changed its policy to be in line with this concern about a month before the election.

You may not like the current policy, but that is democracy.

The problem lies in the notion that Australia has some obligation to take displaced people. The UN agreement was never put before the electorate. That is not democracy.

At rock bottom the problem is that half the world qualifies as refugees and the more you encourage, the more you get.
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Reply #1656 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 2:40pm
 
Our "illegal immigration" problem of visa over-stayers gets virtually ignored everytime it is mentioned to the Xenophobes.   Apart from that, I am unaware of any "illegal immigration" problem that we face.

We do have an Asylum Seeker problem but seeking Asylum is not illegal, despite what our government and the Xenophobes like to claim.   Roll Eyes

As for the claim that Refugee Convention was "never put before the people" that is how our Constitution works.   For any convention/treaty to be ratified it must go before the Parliament in the form of an enabling bill or other legislation that brings it's terms into effect.  For the UN Refugee Convention, that occurred on 22 January 1954 and 13 December 1973.
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Reply #1657 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 12:25am
 
Marla wrote on Jun 24th, 2015 at 2:45am:
Why do you want a gun so badly, Emma?

I'd have to say for the same reason YOU own them Marla.
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Reply #1658 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 1:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24th, 2015 at 2:40pm:
Our "illegal immigration" problem of visa over-stayers gets virtually ignored everytime it is mentioned to the Xenophobes.   Apart from that, I am unaware of any "illegal immigration" problem that we face.

We do have an Asylum Seeker problem but seeking Asylum is not illegal, despite what our government and the Xenophobes like to claim.   Roll Eyes

As for the claim that Refugee Convention was "never put before the people" that is how our Constitution works.   For any convention/treaty to be ratified it must go before the Parliament in the form of an enabling bill or other legislation that brings it's terms into effect.  For the UN Refugee Convention, that occurred on 22 January 1954 and 13 December 1973.


Yes.. we demonise the most disadvantaged and allow the richer , fly-in illegal visa over-stayers to carry on merrily.

Says a lot about our society doesn't it, eh?

If they're down, kick 'em hard and lock'm up, indefinitely. The others.. well I guess they do the work we don't want, or have skills we don't have.

Very sad. An indictment of the direction Australia has taken for the last 30 odd yrs.

And they are ODD indeed.
Shame Australia SHAME.
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Reply #1659 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:42am
 
Emma wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 1:03am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24th, 2015 at 2:40pm:
Our "illegal immigration" problem of visa over-stayers gets virtually ignored everytime it is mentioned to the Xenophobes.   Apart from that, I am unaware of any "illegal immigration" problem that we face.

We do have an Asylum Seeker problem but seeking Asylum is not illegal, despite what our government and the Xenophobes like to claim.   Roll Eyes

As for the claim that Refugee Convention was "never put before the people" that is how our Constitution works.   For any convention/treaty to be ratified it must go before the Parliament in the form of an enabling bill or other legislation that brings it's terms into effect.  For the UN Refugee Convention, that occurred on 22 January 1954 and 13 December 1973.


Yes.. we demonise the most disadvantaged and allow the richer , fly-in illegal visa over-stayers to carry on merrily.

Says a lot about our society doesn't it, eh?

If they're down, kick 'em hard and lock'm up, indefinitely. The others.. well I guess they do the work we don't want, or have skills we don't have.

Very sad. An indictment of the direction Australia has taken for the last 30 odd yrs.

And they are ODD indeed.
Shame Australia SHAME.


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Reply #1660 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Panther, you're not listed as a moderator of this forum.  What makes you think you have the right to determine what is on or off-topic?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #1661 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 3:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
Panther, you're not listed as a moderator of this forum.  What makes you think you have the right to determine what is on or off-topic?   Roll Eyes



I can read, I am opinionated, & I have freedom of speech.

Show me where it says in any set of official rules that I have no right to a personal opinion on topic relevancy. Roll Eyes

So, as far as I'm concerned the Topic of this Thread is about
Gun Laws in Australia
& that's the topical discussion everyone would expect to see when they come into this thread.

If others wish to talk about another subject at length, by all means go for it, but don't you think they should have the common courtesy of opening another Thread where their discussion would be relevant?

How do you see it?

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Reply #1662 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:38pm
 
Marla wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 22nd, 2015 at 11:04am:
Our firearm license numbers and the number of firearms we have are the highest they have ever been,we reduced all firearm crime while increasing legal ownership of firearms. In Australia more guns has resulted in less firearm crime, this is a fact.


But doesn't Australia have a ban on all auto and semi-auto weapons? Could be why there is a reduced firearm homicide rate meaning your current laws have placed less firepower into the hands of its citizens. In a way that makes a lot of sense. You don't need an AK-47 for self defenses when a .22 caliber revolver can inflict major tissue damage.

Or it could be in the thinking of guns. No doubt America is a violent place and without going into all the theories of gun crime much of what happens here comes form the mindset that if you have a problem with anybody the only way to solve the issue is with the aid of a bullet.

That's everywhere here. Books, movies, and TV shows (especially TV shows). I would hate for other parts of the world to become like America due to having gun ownership no matter how regulated it is.


Our firearm homicides in Australia-
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1988- 123 homicides,0.74 per 100k
1989- 80 ,0.48 per 100k
1990- 79 ,0.46
1991- 84 ,0.49
1992- 96, 0.55
1993- 64, 0.36
1994- 76, 0.43
1995- 67, 0.37
1996- 104, 0.57- Gun laws brought in after Pt Arthur
1997- 79 firearm homicides,0.43
1998- 57, 0.30
2008- 27 ,0.13
2009- 37 , 0.17
2010- 39, 0.18
2011- 31,0.14
2012- 40 firearm homicides,0.18 per 100k
www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia



In 1995 before Howard used fear to demonise all law abiding firearm owners because of a madman who never held a firearms license we had a grand total of 67 firearm homicides with a rate of 0.37 per 100k
Our firearm homicides were trending down before our laws were imposed.

In 1995 we had 67 firearm homicides, 401 people were killed trying to cross roads in 1995, of course the hoplophobes think we had a major gun problem back in the 1990's.
www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/1996/pdf/Ped_Crash_2.pdf

We did not ban semi autos in 1996 we restricted them,Farmers who are defined as Primary producers by the tax dept can have a semi auto rimfire with a 10 round magazine and a autoloading shotgun with 5 round magazine with a Category C license

Professional shooters can have semi auto centrefire and rimfire rifles along with autoloading shotguns with no magazine limits on a Category D license.
Those who are FAAST certified for aerial culling are allowed 2 L1A1 (Aussie Fn Fal),when you are firing 400 rounds per hour you need to swap guns so it can cool down.
Can you buy a semi auto rifle in California,Massachusetts,New York that you can have on a Category D license in Australia?

The Department of Environment and Heritage says using a semi auto is the most humane method of controlling pest animals when you use the double tap method firing 2 shots in rapid succession.
The government makes recreational hunters use a less humane method with bolt action rifles.

Semi auto pistols like the type you own are allowed,In Australia the recent evidence by the Police at the senate inquiry said over 90% of all firearm crime is done with illegal semi auto pistols,the FBI stats in the USA show rifles account for around 300 homicides and pistols account for over 6000 every year.

The USA stats show a demographic that is around 13% of your population accounts for 52% of your firearm homicides,perhaps the Gangsta rap culture encourages violence.

I have never liked the 7.62x39, I run compressed loads in a 7.62x51.

Guns like your pistols are responsible for the majority of firearm homicides


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Reply #1663 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:53pm
 
More idiocy from the hoplophobes

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Changes to Australia's firearm laws to restrict the sale of lever action shotguns may be made retrospective.
Government authorities are moving quickly to restrict the sale of all lever action firearms in Australia.
Police are leading the way to recategorise lever action into restricted Category C and away from Category A.
A senior government official said today the mooted change may be made retrospective,which could lead to a buy back of thousands of lever action rifles and shotguns already legally owned.

Firearms technology and design has evolved since the national firearms agreement in 1996
weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/lever-action-gun-buyback-may-be-triggered-by...


Lever action guns have been around since the 1800's it's not new technology who are they trying to bullshit to?

There have been no crimes done with lever action rifles so what is their justification for banning them is it an irrational fear perhaps hoplophobia?

I object to my taxes buying these guns back, the police told the senate inquiry licensed firearm owners are not the problem, there have been no crimes done with lever action rifles there is no justification for this.

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Reply #1664 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 11:12pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:53pm:
More idiocy from the hoplophobes

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Changes to Australia's firearm laws to restrict the sale of lever action shotguns may be made retrospective.
Government authorities are moving quickly to restrict the sale of all lever action firearms in Australia.
Police are leading the way to recategorise lever action into restricted Category C and away from Category A.
A senior government official said today the mooted change may be made retrospective,which could lead to a buy back of thousands of lever action rifles and shotguns already legally owned.

Firearms technology and design has evolved since the national firearms agreement in 1996
weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/lever-action-gun-buyback-may-be-triggered-by...


Lever action guns have been around since the 1800's it's not new technology who are they trying to bullshit to?

There have been no crimes done with lever action rifles so what is their justification for banning them is it an irrational fear perhaps hoplophobia?

I object to my taxes buying these guns back, the police told the senate inquiry licensed firearm owners are not the problem, there have been no crimes done with lever action rifles there is no justification for this.

The sad truth is our pollies don't care about facts.
They only care about what they think will keep them in power. It doesn't matter to them what we think or believe, because they have their oh so comfy future all figured out, and resist anything that could put a spanner in the works.

Can't have people thinking for themselves, GOOD GOD NO,  Shocked  ..hence the preponderance of propaganda and BS we get fed everyday through the complicit media.
Their motto.. you ain't with Us then you are against us.  That cannot be allowed.!!
Why,  we might start thinking we live in a free society. GASP.!  Can't have that no sirree.!  Sad




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