Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:39pm:



Oh, and there are some freaky prophecies I admit.  There are also many that have not come true, which brings the whole concept of the Bible being infallible to a bit of a standstill however.

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:


It's no secret, and widely understood throughout the Christian community, that some Bible prophesy has not been fulfilled yet. Like the Second Coming of Christ for example. Let's take a look at some prophecy that has been fulfilled, like the subject of the restoration of Jews to their land. Here's Isaac Newton on the subject, centuries before that restoration ever began, that he understood through Bible prophecy long before it was fulfilled:

Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation.....”

Thomas Brightman 1562-1607: "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

And there they are today, while only composing about two tenths of one percent of the world's population, they are once again ruling and reigning in their land just as prophesied, and as recognized by so many Christians that they would be, centuries before their restoration ever took place. Even becoming a geopolitical focus of the world.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

How do you explain that?
Here's how scripture did, thousands of years in advance:

Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.  23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Eze 36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htm

Well how about you answer the questions you have been avoiding then:

Are you still sticking to the completetly false figure that you claim, which was that 100000 to 180000 Christians are martyred every year, and most of these by Muslims

and why do you not old yourself to the same scrutiny regarding other faiths as you are trying to hold everyone else to?

I do still think it's weird that you would say a bunch of things regarding why you believe in Christianity and NOT reference salvation though.

Double post. Admin is welcome to remove if so moved.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:


I'm glad you have come to the conclusion that the statistic you originally quoted is wrong Pete.  We got there in the end.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:


I am actually referring to you demand to know to the minute how long they have looked into Christianity in order to be informed enough to make a decision yay or nay like you do here:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:


Yet when were asked the same question about another belief system you are unwilling to answer why.

Stratos wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:55am:


That's not where I got. I got to understand the unimportance of the number, and worse, the distraction it allows for people who want to run from the truth. While I don't believe you ever got to appreciating the vast number of the uncounted, throughout the undeveloped African continent as well as jungles and backwaters all around the world.

Stratos wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:55am:


That's a disappointing and surprising shame you would make that claim, particularly since I carefully guided you to a full understanding of my question, and thanked you for your thorough response. Instead you attempted to turn it into a gotcha, that predictably, backfired. Let me post the original to help you understand just whose failure it is in understanding:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:


Stratos wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:55am:


I did, indicating that I certainly don't find a compelling reason to abandon the God of Jews and Christians, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years, for a stand-alone 6th to 4th century BC individual man, the lack of historicity for which, calls into question his very existence.

Let alone that if you responded to my posts now and then, instead of ignoring them, it would help you understand why I'm a Christian:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/92#92

Stratos wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:40am:


What does any "weeks" prophecy have to do with the subject of the restoration of Jews to their land, as detailed in the post at the link I provided?

For those in here that are unfamiliar, the following  may be the prophetic math problem, to which he refers.
http://theism.net/article/17

Simpler questions are such as, how  did  the old covenant prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem? What are the odds of it being an accident?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am:


I find the restoration of Jews to their land, detailed in the post you keep ignoring, to be a much more obvious and impressive fulfillment of prophecy. Let alone Daniel's math pinning the dates of 1948 and 1967.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/daniel_prophesied_modern_zionism.htm

And for other forum members, the more obvious fulfillment of prophecy like the coming of the prophesied Messiah, and Jesus' crucifixion in old Testament prophecy and such, that should be givens to Stratos:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm