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Reply #90 - Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:48pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
The surface of which was only scratched in the bottom of my last post to you, that you chose to completely ignore



Oh, and there are some freaky prophecies I admit.  There are also many that have not come true, which brings the whole concept of the Bible being infallible to a bit of a standstill however.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #91 - Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:53pm
 
Datalife wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:22pm:
 
So you characterize those who bother to investigate a subject, and make an informed decision on the basis of their study as suffering "brain farts", while you admit to having made your decision on the basis of self-imposed abject ignorance. Well done!


If bible study is likely to lead me to end up sounding like you .......


Like ............ informed?
Do you think most people enjoy facing unpleasant truth any more than you do? Knee-jerk response is typically to denigrate the messenger, in an effort to avoid the truth.

You are resting on pure, blind, faith, in DISbelief.

Why don't you instead try investigating a little rather than focusing on me?
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/

Would it really hurt if more people in the world were like these guys?
http://www.mercyships.org/our-people/patients/young-abel/

Datalife wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
...... I will choose abject ignorance of the bible.
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Reply #92 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:12am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:48pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
The surface of which was only scratched in the bottom of my last post to you, that you chose to completely ignore


Oh, and there are some freaky prophecies I admit.  There are also many that have not come true, which brings the whole concept of the Bible being infallible to a bit of a standstill however.


It's no secret, and widely understood throughout the Christian community, that some Bible prophesy has not been fulfilled yet. Like the Second Coming of Christ for example. Let's take a look at some prophecy that has been fulfilled, like the subject of the restoration of Jews to their land. Here's Isaac Newton on the subject, centuries before that restoration ever began, that he understood through Bible prophecy long before it was fulfilled:

Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation.....”

Thomas Brightman 1562-1607: "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

And there they are today, while only composing about two tenths of one percent of the world's population, they are once again ruling and reigning in their land just as prophesied, and as recognized by so many Christians that they would be, centuries before their restoration ever took place. Even becoming a geopolitical focus of the world.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

How do you explain that?
Here's how scripture did, thousands of years in advance:

Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.  23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Eze 36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htm
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Reply #93 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:26am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:46pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
The reason I am a Christian is the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, whose people have followed Him through two covenants, for 3500 years


Funny, I thought the whole reason people became Christian was to be saved from their sin.


And the only way we could have ever known about the whole subject of the Gospel, is because it is revealed through the 1600 record of YHWH to mankind, thus that record is the reason I am a Christian.
Now why don't you stop your foolish and failed attempts at a gotcha, and try focusing on honest, sincere, and substantive responses, instead of wasting our time?
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Reply #94 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:28am
 
Well how about you answer the questions you have been avoiding then:

Are you still sticking to the completetly false figure that you claim, which was that 100000 to 180000 Christians are martyred every year, and most of these by Muslims

and why do you not old yourself to the same scrutiny regarding other faiths as you are trying to hold everyone else to?

I do still think it's weird that you would say a bunch of things regarding why you believe in Christianity and NOT reference salvation though.
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Reply #95 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:28am:
Well how about you answer the questions you have been avoiding then:

Are you still sticking to the completetly false figure that you claim, which was that 100000 to 180000 Christians are martyred every year, and most of these by Muslims


I even edited the website, to help preclude people from running and hiding from the truth as you have, and the more important subject of the page, which is the REASON that Christians are being martyred all around the world. And that reason is the spirit of antichrist. It makes for a much more powerful page, because nobody can start out by diverting themselves away from the subject, with the irrelevancy of the number.
Thank you for that! Little insights into how people's minds work, and how they guide themselves to run and hide from truth, is what makes participating in forums now and then worthwhile, and an aid in what I have been called to do.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:28am:
and why do you not old yourself to the same scrutiny regarding other faiths as you are trying to hold everyone else to?


My scrutiny in this forum section on Islam regards its being a specifically ANTI-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

I support that criticism through the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind. The same record you are running and hiding from, in regard to the subject in my last post to you.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/92#92

Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 12:28am:
I do still think it's weird that you would say a bunch of things regarding why you believe in Christianity and NOT reference salvation though.


Because the record is the source from which all else is delivered. Without the record there would be no such thing as Judaism or Christianity nearly 2,000 years later. So folks would not know how to begin a life in and with Jesus Christ, let alone there was even the possibility of being joined in one.
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Reply #96 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:28am
 
Double post. Admin is welcome to remove if so moved.
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Reply #97 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 2:10am
 
Accidental quote in edit. Admin please also feel free to scratch this one.
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Reply #98 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:55am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am:
I even edited the website, to help preclude people from running and hiding from the truth as you have, and the more important subject of the page, which is the REASON that Christians are being martyred all around the world. And that reason is the spirit of antichrist. It makes for a much more powerful page, because nobody can start out by diverting themselves away from the subject, with the irrelevancy of the number.


I'm glad you have come to the conclusion that the statistic you originally quoted is wrong Pete.  We got there in the end.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am:
Stratos wrote Today at 12:28am:
and why do you not old yourself to the same scrutiny regarding other faiths as you are trying to hold everyone else to?


My scrutiny in this forum section on Islam regards its being a specifically ANTI-religion.


I am actually referring to you demand to know to the minute how long they have looked into Christianity in order to be informed enough to make a decision yay or nay like you do here:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:13pm:
Could you indulge me with an answer to a question? Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, to decide against it in favor of atheism?


Yet when were asked the same question about another belief system you are unwilling to answer why.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Reply #99 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am:
The same record you are running and hiding from, in regard to the subject in my last post to you


Running from what?  I understand there are some prophecies in the Bible that appear to have come true, but this doesn't account for the many that have not, or did not come true, which should NEVER happen if you believe the Bible to be infallible.
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Reply #100 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:18am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:55am:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am:
I even edited the website, to help preclude people from running and hiding from the truth as you have, and the more important subject of the page, which is the REASON that Christians are being martyred all around the world. And that reason is the spirit of antichrist. It makes for a much more powerful page, because nobody can start out by diverting themselves away from the subject, with the irrelevancy of the number.


I'm glad you have come to the conclusion that the statistic you originally quoted is wrong Pete.  We got there in the end.


That's not where I got. I got to understand the unimportance of the number, and worse, the distraction it allows for people who want to run from the truth. While I don't believe you ever got to appreciating the vast number of the uncounted, throughout the undeveloped African continent as well as jungles and backwaters all around the world.

Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:55am:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 1:27am:
Stratos wrote Today at 12:28am:
and why do you not old yourself to the same scrutiny regarding other faiths as you are trying to hold everyone else to?

My scrutiny in this forum section on Islam regards its being a specifically ANTI-religion.


I am actually referring to you demand to know to the minute .....


That's a disappointing and surprising shame you would make that claim, particularly since I carefully guided you to a full understanding of my question, and thanked you for your thorough response. Instead you attempted to turn it into a gotcha, that predictably, backfired. Let me post the original to help you understand just whose failure it is in understanding:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 10:03pm:
Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours,
or
minutes,
the amount of time you have devoted to study[/b] of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, prior to your deciding to reject it in favor of agnosticism?


Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:55am:
....... how long they have looked into Christianity in order to be informed enough to make a decision yay or nay like you do here:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 11:13pm:
Could you indulge me with an answer to a question? Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, to decide against it in favor of atheism?


Yet when were asked the same question about another belief system you are unwilling to answer why.


I did, indicating that I certainly don't find a compelling reason to abandon the God of Jews and Christians, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years, for a stand-alone 6th to 4th century BC individual man, the lack of historicity for which, calls into question his very existence.

Let alone that if you responded to my posts now and then, instead of ignoring them, it would help you understand why I'm a Christian:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/92#92
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Reply #101 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:40am
 
Oh, and the weeks prophecy is incredibly vague by the way, and massively open to interpretation.
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Reply #102 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:40am:
Oh, and the weeks prophecy is incredibly vague by the way, and massively open to interpretation.


What does any "weeks" prophecy have to do with the subject of the restoration of Jews to their land, as detailed in the post at the link I provided?

For those in here that are unfamiliar, the following  may be the prophetic math problem, to which he refers.
http://theism.net/article/17

Simpler questions are such as, how  did  the old covenant prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem? What are the odds of it being an accident?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm
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Reply #103 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:59am
 
Edit: derp, wrong prophecy.  Sorry.

Going back to bed
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Reply #104 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 9:04am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:59am:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:52am:
Stratos wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 8:40am:
Oh, and the weeks prophecy is incredibly vague by the way, and massively open to interpretation.


What does any "weeks" prophecy have to do with the subject of the restoration of Jews to their land, as detailed in the post at the link I provided?

For those in here that are unfamiliar, the following  may be the prophetic math problem, to which he refers.
http://theism.net/article/17


Sorry, you were mentioning it before like some of silver bullet, I was going to reply to it then but fell asleep


I find the restoration of Jews to their land, detailed in the post you keep ignoring, to be a much more obvious and impressive fulfillment of prophecy. Let alone Daniel's math pinning the dates of 1948 and 1967.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/daniel_prophesied_modern_zionism.htm

And for other forum members, the more obvious fulfillment of prophecy like the coming of the prophesied Messiah, and Jesus' crucifixion in old Testament prophecy and such, that should be givens to Stratos:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
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