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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #90 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:14am

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:03pm:

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Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.

They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know. They are brighter than you are.

You can't prove any of this. I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees.

LOL, people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached, a govt report says that they are coached. Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable. It is obvious to anyone who has the wit to connect that fact that people smugglers are coaching country shoppers.

But I expect you and others will desperately cling to it despite its obvious failings as a credible indication.

And you clowns pretend you are the intelligentsia? Grin

they are coached to the extent that they are told what to say so as to claim asylum and so that they are not thrown on the first plane out of here ... they are not coached in how to bypass the checks that the government does after that point ... what do people smugglers care if they are ultimately refused?

In fact, it works in their favour if they are sent back because the person being refused may try again and hand over another $10 000. No one without ID is approved if the govt. hasn't had an independant 3rd party confirm who they are .... in fact they cannot send them back without evidence of their real identities because the country they send them back to will in most cases refuse to take them back if you cannot prove they are originally from there

you said something about pretend intelligentsia

You just love shooting yourself in the foot, eh? How much business do you reckon those people smugglers would get if their customers were reported in the media as having their request for asylum rejected almost straight away and being deported? It's in the interests of their "business" to provide as much advice/assistance as they can for their customers to ultimately succeed so that they will gain more customers. Yes, would-be illegal immigrants do watch the news and read the papers! Wink

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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #91 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. Angry

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats. I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats

I suspect that the budget will be his best opportunity to stop the boats once and for all. He can announce the closure of the many fairy run. He can then claim to his followers that the red neck peninsula is finally safe from the western bogans.

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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #92 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. Angry

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats. I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers. He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't

BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring. The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness.

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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #93 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54am

Vic wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. Angry

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats. I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers. He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't

BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring. The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness.

Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again.

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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #94 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:03am

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54am: