polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1
st, 2014 at 7:36am:
When religious leaders adopt systems and institutions that are familiar to the people that leader is attempting to convert, its not necessarily a sign of a fraud. Just like the christians adopted .......
Constantine did, from having been a pagan sun worshiper previously, and thus the solar blazes and such of the Roman Church. Some question as to whether he was ever a Christian, but was more in bondage to his flesh, since he waited until he was on his death bed to be baptized. A good read on the subject of how paganism crept into part of the "church" is "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1
st, 2014 at 7:36am:
..... a whole host of Greek/Roman pagan rituals as a ploy to make the transformation of the people smoother.
Thank you for your tacit admission that Muhammad did in fact keep Kaaba Inc. going to keep the pagan's interested in fattening the coffers, as Muslims continue to do for Saudi Arabia unto this day, and as pagan Star Family worshipers did long before Muhammad was born. Men will do what men do.
Certainly the Gospel does not allow such deception.
Rom 3:7 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,)
Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.Nor does the one true God of the scriptures of Jews and Christians need lies, nor anything more than His Word:
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Since Jesus IS truth, the only way we can follow Him is in all truth:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him,
I am the way,
the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1
st, 2014 at 7:36am:
By the way, the concept of the "sacrifice for our sins" has roots in pre-christian pagan mythology.
While the Canaanites sacrificed children to idols, it certainly wasn't for remission of sin.
And your ignorance of the revelation of the one true God of the scriptures - YHWH - is appalling, for someone that engages in religious discussion. The concept of sacrifice for sin did indeed long predate the Christian era. That was of course the whole purpose of the alter in the temple that Yahweh had His people build on the temple mount in Jerusalem.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=atonement+sin&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0
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And the sacrifice of the Lamb of God was prophesied many hundreds of years before the event, and even hundreds of years before crucifixion was ever even invented:
Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm#psalms_22_16
Fulfilled just as prophesied:
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1
st, 2014 at 7:36am:
Just like the christians adopted a whole host of Greek/Roman pagan rituals as a ploy to make the transformation of the people smoother.
Men creating unchristian counter-gospel tradition accomplished the exact opposite, as you yourself, aptly demonstrate. Particularly the Roman church murder of Jews and Muslims - but as most conveniently leave out - Roman Church murder of CHRISTIANS as well.
homecomers.org/mirror/
Thus people who desire to run and hide from God, wish to believe that murder of innocents is what Christianity is about, when in fact the Gospel is about the exact opposite, and loving even our enemies. The Godless thus blinded by Satan to what Christians are actually doing:
Like bringing hope and healing around the world
mercyships.org
Freeing Islam's slaves:
youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
Many of Muhammad's followers also wishing that murder and rape is of the Lord, since Muhammad had innocent, peaceful, faithful Jewish farm boys brought before him and beheaded, while he and his boys had their way with their little sisters, moms and grandmothers - let alone Muhammad's imperialistic conquest.
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