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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #15 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo.
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #16 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:13am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.

The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.

Irrespective of why he was there and killing innocent people was not one of them at the point Australia invaded he was not involved.

He was caught unarmed leaving the country and he had never been a combatant in the action, he was never charged for the reason he was there.

he did DINE with OSAMA and was swept away by him..he changed to Muslim ... why would you go out of your way to contact terrorist if you didnt share something with them????

never mind he has the support of the left.. and I am sure he is thrilled.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #17 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:50am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.

The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.

and GUESS WHAT AP>>> he didnt die in a roof cavity????????..

but its okay for lefties to make a thread about him AINT IT.

they wont see it though..

they wont see it though

I tend to agree, I seriously doubt that anyone will interpret your hieroglyphics this time.

I thin k your wrong only one eyed lefties refuse to face the truth...

your support for Hicks is overwhelming really...in fact lets have a WITCH HUNT on Howard would, be the call of the day... Roll Eyes

again thats fine.. if it clears the air.. DO IT..

yet when it comes to dying in a roof.... you dont want to know...

it s a WITCH HUNT no one from the left really cares about 4 young men... only David Hicks... Roll Eyes

its very clear very clear indeed...

Hicks was on Howards watch....

if Hicks was on krudds watch would you reaction be the same???

dont make me laugh.,. Angry

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62035 Here Gender:	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #18 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am Stratos wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am: Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo. Guilty of what ??? Certainly not the retrospective charges that it took 7 years to manufacture ??
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #19 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:22am

Stratos wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo.

they were different times.. Bin Laden was alive and well... and a Huge threat.. 9/11 was very raw....I am sure there are prisons all over the world that we dont even know about that are much worse....

what if.. one day a member of Bin Ladens evil cell..tells the world that Hicks was a member of their army..and in fact was going to car bomb Australian Embassies.. or something..

whatever he did or didnt do.. we only have HIS word for it..

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #20 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:23am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo.

Guilty of what ???

Certainly not the retrospective charges that it took 7 years to manufacture ??

oh guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

I am sure you are right.

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Reply #21 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:50am

cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

they wont see it though

I tend to agree, I seriously doubt that anyone will interpret your hieroglyphics this time.

I thin k your wrong only one eyed lefties refuse to face the truth...

your support for Hicks is overwhelming really...in fact lets have a WITCH HUNT on Howard would, be the call of the day...

again thats fine.. if it clears the air.. DO IT..

yet when it comes to dying in a roof.... you dont want to know...

it s a WITCH HUNT no one from the left really cares about 4 young men... only David Hicks...

its very clear very clear indeed...

Hicks was on Howards watch....

if Hicks was on krudds watch would you reaction be the same???

dont make me laugh.,.

Think you will find that I support Julian Assagne's rights and opposed Gillards position ??? As an Australian we have a duty to ensure that he is fairly treated. Mt position in this area is consistent.

Have I ever told you about the time I passed out after working in a roof space on a 40 degree day ??? Actually coming down from a 50 degree plus roof area into lovely cool 40 degree air was wonderful.

You would be badly mistaken to think that I have no sympathy for the families one of the reasons that I think that further torturing them with no result they will accept the likely outcome is a poor option.

The Liberals position has nothing to do with 4 young men, its about getting Labor.

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Reply #22 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:52am

cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo.

Guilty of what ???

Certainly not the retrospective charges that it took 7 years to manufacture ??

oh guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

I am sure you are right.

I am right but that isn't what I said.

He was in the wrong place at the wrong time but there is no charge for that.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #23 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:55am

cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Guilty or not (in this case clearly guilty), no one deserves Guantanamo.

Guilty of what ???

Certainly not the retrospective charges that it took 7 years to manufacture ??

oh guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

I am sure you are right.

Has anyone mentioned that the charges Hicks was convicted on have since been ruled to not be legal and thrown out in US courts ???

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #24 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:08am A great shame that this piece of crap is free.
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #25 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:36am

They didn't want him to get a fair trial... how would it look in the papers if a PM 'allowed' 'terrorists' to escape summary justice and cop due process of Law?

Wee Johnnie would have looked like a puny little short-arse on the international stage.. wait a minute....

Yet Ye Poms send up a Royal for ten years for knocking an armed Taliban on the head....

You see - it's all right to do nasty things as long as you are the Guv'nah and have a 'monopoly on violence' as the socialists tell us is such a wonderful thing....

Of course, you need to understand violence first - unlike say Peace Studies professors at UNE - and realise and accept that governments have historically been the greatest perpetrators of violence in history**.... and that violence of the individual against government CAN be a 'just cause' self-defence as is a Right....

** under the reign of the socio-fascists (Fascists by any other name) these types embraced the philosophy fully that they were 'entitled' to exercise violence against the people at whim... very feudal.. if that peasant doesn't bow low enough, a Samurai has the 'right' to lop off his head...

Now think about it..**

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #26 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 10:27am

At the time Hicks was involved, it was a localised conflict, and neither Australia nor the US had any involvement at all.

By the time Aus and the US did become involved, Hicks was already out of the picture, combat-wise, and was actually
picked up while attempting to leave the country. He was unarmed at the time of his capture.

At no time, therefore, did Hicks undertake combat operations against Aus or US forces.

At worst, he should have been regarded as a prisoner-of-war, with all the rights that entails (Geneva Convention etc).

Treated more humanely after capture, he may have been willing to provide them with valuable background info, even
though he was no longer part of the 'enemy'.

The whole thing was handled badly from start to finish, by both us and the Seppolians, and for Howard to use him as
a political football was simply disgraceful (although I expected no better from Howard).

All this 'traitor' talk is pure bullshyt. Always was, always will be.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #27 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:01am:

red baron wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:52am:

In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason

Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.

lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ. Roll Eyes

That’s right, Mistie. A Muslim fundamentalist group that, only a war ago, waa in a coalition with the US to defeat the Evil Empire.

How times change, eh?

Just think, these "progressives" defend your right to "work" at the uni. How sinister is that?

We all know what you get up to there.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #28 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:59am FriYAY wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:08am: A great shame that this piece of crap is free. Agree with that. I would have given him 30 years.
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Paki gob on a stick Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103485	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #29 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 12:00pm FriYAY wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:08am: A great shame that this piece of crap is free. Would you rather he was a biscuit? I’m sure we can make him one, FriYay. Maybe we can get him into the Anzac Day Parade. Would that do it for you?
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