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Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:04am
 
Guantanamo Bay: FOI reveals Howard government knew David Hicks would not get a fair trial      Sad

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The Howard government made contradictory public statements about the fairness of the military commission trial in the US of former Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks, according to new documents.

The heavily redacted documents, obtained under freedom of information, include emails, advice and cables between Australian government officials and US officials in relation to the US military commission process and Mr Hicks' case.

Human rights advocate and lecturer Aloysia Brooks - who is married to Mr Hicks - obtained the documents, which show the Attorney-General's Department was aware the military commission could allow evidence obtained by the use of torture due to its broader definition of what torture was.

The January 2007 departmental background briefing document says there are some protections against the use of statements obtained by torture. But it warned: ''However, the US definition of torture opens the possibility that evidence obtained by the infliction of severe mental suffering which does not result in 'prolonged mental harm' or which is inflicted by methods other than those set out in the manual will not be considered to be 'torture' and so will be admissible before a military commission. A statement alleged to be the product of coercion may also be admitted into evidence in certain circumstances.''


The briefing document was prepared in response to government requests for talking points to compare the new rules of the military commission to other international war crimes tribunals such as the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. But an adviser warned that a comparison between the rules was ''not useful'' because the international courts had rules protecting ''fair trial rights'' that were not present to the same degree in the commission.

The documents also warns that there was no requirement for ''unlawful combatants'' to be warned before they were interrogated, to have a lawyer present before they were charged, or for the interrogation to be recorded.

In December 2006, then attorney-general Philip Ruddock was quoted as saying ''We are certainly pressing the US and have received certain assurances from them that a fair trial should be possible under the scheme that they've legislated for.''

After receiving the departmental advice, he began to distance the federal government from the issue of the fairness of the new military commission process.

On February 18, 2007, he said it ''will ultimately be a matter for the United States government and the courts''.

He defended the commission, pointing to ''due-process safeguards'' for defendants.

Ms Brooks said the documents revealed ''the inconsistency between the public statements made by members of the former Howard government and the internal conversations relating to David's treatment and their knowledge of the unfairness of the military commissions process''.

''This is about much more than David Hicks. I believe the Australian public have a right to know of the lengths their government went to to present the most favourable interpretation of events, rather than the reality of the situation for Guantanamo Bay prisoners.''

But Mr Ruddock told Fairfax Media on Saturday that he believed everything he said was ''consistent''.

''I have always made it clear that when you are another jurisdiction the rules of that jurisdiction apply,'' Mr Ruddock said.

Mr Hicks was apprehended in 2001 and held for more than five years in Guantanamo Bay before being pressured into a plea bargain in which he was convicted of providing material support for terrorism.

Lawyers for Mr Hicks have launched an appeal to overturn his conviction.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/guantanamo-bay-foi-reveals-howard-government-knew-david-hicks-would-not-get-a-fair-trial-20131228-300oy.html#ixzz2onkyBWj6
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:38am
 

Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.
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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:44am
 
The company the "progressives" keep - Hicks: an Islamic fundamentalist and terrorist wannabe.
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Reply #3 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:45am
 
Well pansi, did he not get Australia involved in the illegal Iraq war?.      Sad
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Reply #4 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:50am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:38am:
Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.


The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.
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Reply #5 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:52am
 
In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason
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Reply #6 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:58am
 
Well he was sent to Guantanamo, don't know what you expected, but definitely not a fair trial.
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Reply #7 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:01am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:52am:
In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason



Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.
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The attorney general at that time was a disgrace to Australia.
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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:04am
 
THIS IS A WITCH HUNT... Angry Angry Angry Angry Tongue Tongue
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Reply #10 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:05am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:01am:
red baron wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:52am:
In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason



Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.


lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:06am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:38am:
Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.


The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.



and GUESS WHAT AP>>> he didnt die in a roof cavity????????..

but its okay for lefties to make a thread about him AINT IT. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

they wont see it though.. Angry
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Reply #12 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:38am:
Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.


The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.



Irrespective of why he was there and killing innocent people was not one of them at the point Australia invaded he was not involved.

He was caught unarmed leaving the country and he had never been a combatant in the action, he was never charged for the reason he was there.
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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:08am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:05am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:01am:
red baron wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:52am:
In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason



Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.


lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ.  Roll Eyes



or making bombs at their bomb making factory. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I have often wondered what he might have done had he not been picked up on that bus???...but we can only guess really..

personally I dont give a rats about the little turd the left can have him he is all theirs.
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Reply #14 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:11am
 
cods wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:06am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:38am:
Never trust your government.

The truth always comes out sooner or later, but sensible people knew all along that Howard was a crook.

Howard should go before the Hague for war crimes.


The idiot wasn't on holidays there. It wasn't like he was in the Bahamas! He was joining up to kill innocent people and Coalition soldiers. Anyone who believes otherwise is just as much of an idiot as Hicks.



and GUESS WHAT AP>>> he didnt die in a roof cavity????????..

but its okay for lefties to make a thread about him AINT IT.

they wont see it though..



they wont see it though

I tend to agree, I seriously doubt that anyone will interpret your hieroglyphics this time.
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