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Reply #165 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm

Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 11:30pm:

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Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 9:12pm:

If you had actually looked at the reports you would have seen that each event reported is sourced and verifiable. But actually looking and thinking for yourselves, PB and Brain, is something utterly alien to your mental habits.

Soren, "verifiable" in what way?

I think far more than you do, I suspect. I give people a fair go. You don't. You persecute Muslims. Roll Eyes

Have a look and you will see how they are all verifiable news reports.

"Verifiable" in what way, Soren?

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I give you a few years' worth of news from around the world, document I g the persecution and murder of Christians by Muslims - and you call me persecutor of Muslims. AND call that thinking. Your craven, spineless apologetics on display, hot breath Brain.

Soren, reports of activities are not surveys of public opinion. That you can't see the difference is very worrying. Tell me, would reading news about the events in say, Toowoomba tell you very much about the public of Toowoomba's attitudes to other issues? Of course not. So why does reporting about the actions of individuals or small groups of Muslims in Nigeria tell you about the opinions of Muslims in Indonesia? Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #166 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:26pm Quote: Soren, reports of activities are not surveys of public opinion. Neither are surveys of public opinion, apparently.
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Reply #167 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:37pm

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

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Soren, reports of activities are not surveys of public opinion.

Neither are surveys of public opinion, apparently.

Really? Where was that claimed, FD? Roll Eyes

Do you do thatching professionally by the way? You should take it up, you're getting so good at it, you know? Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #168 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:47pm So then, Brain/breath, you are saying that despite all these reports, there is no religious killing and persecution of Christians by Muslims in Muslim countries? All the reports are false, all the evidence is to be ignored ( as in Rotherham?).
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Reply #169 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54pm

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:47pm:

So then, Brain/breath, you are saying that despite all these reports, there is no religious killing and persecution of Christians by Muslims in Muslim countries? All the reports are false, all the evidence is to be ignored ( as in Rotherham?).

No, that is not what I am saying, Soren. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Your reports are about events and do not constitute a survey of the attitudes of an entire society. You are attempting to compare apples and oranges. You are claiming that events are something they are not. Roll Eyes

Please keep trying though, its very amusing to watch. Grin

I note that you've failed to answer the question about how "verifiable" these reports are. Does that mean you've recognised how silly your claim was? Roll Eyes

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Reply #170 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm

Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. The evidence is overwhelming.
What YOU think is wholly irrelevant to the situation.
You can recognise it or you can carry on like that other thick as four f***g firedoorz, gweggowy.
True to form, you lurch once again to emulate the worst kind of thickos.
Carry on. Put in a few swivel eyes under your even more idiotic alias.

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Reply #171 - Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:44pm

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. The evidence is overwhelming.

Has anybody denied that old boy?

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What YOU think is wholly irrelevant to the situation.

I think what he thinks is as equally important as what you think! Let me express his opinion! Grin

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You can recognise it or you can carry on like that other thick as four f***g firedoorz, gweggowy.
True to form, you lurch once again to emulate the worst kind of thickos.
Carry on. Put in a few swivel eyes under your even more idiotic alias.

I'm going to have to assume this is an example of what Brian calls the bluster defence. You realise you've been tripped up and you go on the attack rather than answer the points raised. So, so funny. So predictable. Logic really isn't your strongpoint is it but then for bigots, it never is. Prejudice replaces rationale thought! Grin

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Reply #172 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. The evidence is overwhelming.
What YOU think is wholly irrelevant to the situation.
You can recognise it or you can carry on like that other thick as four f***g firedoorz, gweggowy.
True to form, you lurch once again to emulate the worst kind of thickos.
Carry on. Put in a few swivel eyes under your even more idiotic alias.

As much as you'd prefer, Soren some of us seem to still have our eye on what the point was. You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies. I have pointed out that there is a considerable difference between the two. One merely reports events, the other reports attitudes. You however seem to have some difficulty grasping this difference for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

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Reply #173 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:16am

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. The evidence is overwhelming

Overwhelming?

So where is this overwhelming proof?

The evidence says that is the other way around.

Christians are slaughtering Muslims in the Central African Republic:

theguardian.com/global-development/gallery/2014/may/02/central-african-republic-
muslims-flee-conflict-stricken-capital-in-pictures

Jews slaughter Muslims in Palestine:

washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-un-says-7-in-10-palestinians-killed-in-
gaza-were-civilians-israel-disagrees/2014/08/29/44edc598-2faa-11e4-9b98-84879038
4093_story.html

Where is Abbott's aid and weapons for them?

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Reply #174 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 10:11am

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:16am:

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. The evidence is overwhelming

Overwhelming?

So where is this overwhelming proof?

The evidence says that is the other way around.

Christians are slaughtering Muslims in the Central African Republic:

theguardian.com/global-development/gallery/2014/may/02/central-african-republic-
muslims-flee-conflict-stricken-capital-in-pictures

Jews slaughter Muslims in Palestine:

washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-un-says-7-in-10-palestinians-killed-in-
gaza-were-civilians-israel-disagrees/2014/08/29/44edc598-2faa-11e4-9b98-84879038
4093_story.html

Now now, don't you confuse the issue. One issue at a time here, please. We're talking about the Muselman.

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Reply #175 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:40am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies.

Nonsense. You just make it up as you go.

I simply said that Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. And that the evidence is overwhelming.

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Reply #176 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies.

Nonsense. You just make it up as you go.

No, it's obvious that you're living in delusion. Brian is right, he was talking about the Pew Survey and you tried to introduce these reports as being some sort of substitute for it! What a tool. Grin

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I simply said that Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. And that the evidence is overwhelming.

And the significance of this is, what? Soren, you're dissembling. Grin

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Reply #177 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies.

Nonsense. You just make it up as you go.

No, it's obvious that you're living in delusion. Brian is right, he was talking about the Pew Survey and you tried to introduce these reports as being some sort of substitute for it! What a tool. Grin

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I simply said that Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. And that the evidence is overwhelming.

And the significance of this is, what? Soren, you're dissembling. Grin

The significance is that it is happening and that that it is happening on religious grounds to innocents who have not done anything to deserve it. Oh, and that it is done on explicitly Islamic grounds.

That's the significance of it.

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Reply #178 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 3:35pm

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies.

Nonsense. You just make it up as you go.

No, it's obvious that you're living in delusion. Brian is right, he was talking about the Pew Survey and you tried to introduce these reports as being some sort of substitute for it! What a tool. Grin

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I simply said that Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. And that the evidence is overwhelming.

And the significance of this is, what? Soren, you're dissembling. Grin

The significance is that it is happening and that that it is happening on religious grounds to innocents who have not done anything to deserve it. Oh, and that it is done on explicitly Islamic grounds.

That's the significance of it.

And how is it relevant to a discussion on the Pew Survey? You really are scrabbling now that Brian has kicked another keystone out of your claims about Muslims.

Considering that most Americans claim they are Christians does that mean I can submit the crime statistics for the USA as proof that all Christians have attitudes which support violence and theft? Grin

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Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions
Reply #179 - Sep 4^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:35am:

You claimed that the reportage of these events gave you some insight into the attitudes of all Muslims and were the equivalent in your mind at least, of a proper attitudinal survey which had been scientifically conducted and analysed using proper statistical methodologies.

Nonsense. You just make it up as you go.

No, it's obvious that you're living in delusion. Brian is right, he was talking about the Pew Survey and you tried to introduce these reports as being some sort of substitute for it! What a tool. Grin

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I simply said that Muslims are killing Christians in Muslim countries. And that the evidence is overwhelming.

And the significance of this is, what? Soren, you're dissembling. Grin

The significance is that it is happening and that that it is happening on religious grounds to innocents who have not done anything to deserve it. Oh, and that it is done on explicitly Islamic grounds.

That's the significance of it.

And how is it relevant to a discussion on the Pew Survey? You really are scrabbling now that Brian has kicked another keystone out of your claims about Muslims.

Considering that most Americans claim they are Christians does that mean I can submit the crime statistics for the USA as proof that all Christians have attitudes which support violence and theft? Grin

No, because Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

The old boy says things like this:

Soren wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Kill 'em until they know they are beaten otherwise don't bother.

But when he does so, he's not following his Lutheran prophet.

The Pew Survey is completely irrelevant to a discussion of the Pew Survey because Muslims don't know what they believe.

Lutherans know what they believe, but they aren't following their prophet. This makes Lutherans superior in every way to the dastardly Muselman.

Do you understand a bit better now?

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