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Re: Italy abuses asylum seekers
Reply #60 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
about 100 or ten..that really isnt the point and Nauru is not the first to be burnt to the ground.


Sorry, but if you believe they are all arsonists or not genuine refugees because of the actions of a few, then that is exactly the point.

cods wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
the point I make is real Asylum seekers wouldnt do that would they??just people who think they have special rights


They do not have special rights.  They do however (well should) have the right to seek asylum and that includes the right NOT to be punished for how they do it, by boat, with a smuggler etc.  They also have the right to not be arbitrarily detained, which is why the protest started in the first place.  They are people with rights, same as you or me. 

cods wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
stratus these places are not meant to be the ROYAL HILTON..

Every single report into the detention facilities has said they are not up to scratch.  They are hot, rat infested and crowded, and no place for children.  I have never seen a positive review of their facilities by anyone.

cods wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
just better than what they had with food water clothes medicine..now we know they receive cigarettes.phones.computers.and they dont have to queue up for hours with a cup in their hand either


They get food they have to line up for hours to get.  A recent report said they had 500ml of water a day, which is nuts considering the climate.  Cigarettes?  well i don't agree that should be necessary.  They have very minimal access to any technology.

cods wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
I cant see it happening..but its ok I am happy to be proved wrong.


Have a read here Cods

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/33587/
“The food is edible. But there are a lot of flies in the food. They even found a human tooth in the food.”

"Asylum seekers are detained on Manus Island in crowded accommodations - one dormitory houses 112 detainees"

In the largest compound, Oscar, 500 men receive only a dozen bottles of water per day to share between themselves.

"This amounts to less than 500ml of water per person per day which is  extremely insufficient, especially given the heat and humidity"

There is mroe in the link, click it and give it a read
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Reply #61 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 3:01pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 2:56pm:
What record? They're treated better than most Australians are. What Australians get free clothes, food, and shelter from the government?


reposting before in case you missed it

Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 12:04pm:
viewpoint wrote Today at 11:57am:
No confusion here, you are the one who seems to live in cloud cuckoo land, unless of course you have definite proof about the conditions you are harping on about.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-27/unhcr-report-on-nauru/5118588

"It singled out the Nauru centre in particular, saying it is rat-infested, cramped and very hot"

"It's not appropriate for families and children to be transferred to Nauru or Papua New Guinea and the suggestions and proposals for transferring unaccompanied children for us is even more deeply concerning," the UNHCR's Richard Towle said."

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/33587/

“The food is edible. But there are a lot of flies in the food. They even found a human tooth in the food.”

"Asylum seekers are detained on Manus Island in crowded accommodations - one dormitory houses 112 detainees"

In the largest compound, Oscar, 500 men receive only a dozen bottles of water per day to share between themselves.

"This amounts to less than 500ml of water per person per day which is  extremely insufficient, especially given the heat and humidity"

You be the judge Viewpoint, is this "humane"?




Dubious sources. Amnesty International and the UN eh? Let's ask Stalin what he thought of capitalism.  Roll Eyes

Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?
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Reply #62 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 3:02pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 2:56pm:
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 2:41pm:
The Greeks have been known to dump asylum seekers back into the ocean and let them drown. The "progressives" don't bat an eye lid over this. They whinge about how we treat them, even though we clothe, feed, and give them medical assistance.


Same as Viewpoint.  just because other countries have abysmal record when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers, doesn't excuse our own record.



What record? They're treated better than most Australians are. What Australians get free clothes, food, and shelter from the government?



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387415048/47#47


Only Misty    Roll Eyes


So do you have an answer?
This one will require some research,Peccy, and not just posting dumb pics.
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Reply #63 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:02pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
ubious sources. Amnesty International and the UN eh? Let's ask Stalin what he thought of capitalism


Find me some that conflict it then.  I'll wait. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?


This does NOT make it OK to treat people.  ANYONE this way.  if Australians are being treated that way then they shouldn't be either

Do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions I have described?
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Reply #64 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:02pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
ubious sources. Amnesty International and the UN eh? Let's ask Stalin what he thought of capitalism


Find me some that conflict it then.  I'll wait. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?


This does NOT make it OK to treat people.  ANYONE this way.  if Australians are being treated that way then they shouldn't be either

Do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions I have described?


I'll take that as there are no Australians receiving free living essentials from the government.
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Reply #65 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?



Prisoners.

Now, do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions Stratos has described?

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Reply #66 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?



Prisoners.

Now, do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions Stratos has described?



Prisoners, lol. okay.  Roll Eyes

I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.
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Reply #67 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:28pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?



Prisoners.

Now, do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions Stratos has described?



Prisoners, lol. okay.  Roll Eyes

I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.



You only believe what you want to believe: prisoners don't receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government; Australia treats asylum seekers humanely; and, Santa Claus will be coming down your chimney in a few days time.

Only Misty    Roll Eyes

A fair dinkum idiot.
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Reply #68 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?



Prisoners.

Now, do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions Stratos has described?



Prisoners, lol. okay.  Roll Eyes

I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.



You only believe what you want to believe: prisoners don't receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government; Australia treats asylum seekers humanely; and, Santa Claus will be coming down your chimney in a few days time.

Only Misty    Roll Eyes

A fair dinkum idiot.


Oh I know prisoners receive it all from the tax payer, I just thought it was a stupid example.

I wonder how much of Andrew Bolt you take seriously? Probably none. Why should I take some far-leftist political organisations seriously?
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Reply #69 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.


You really are bad at arguing points you know that? 



OK, lets say they are indeed biased nasty lefty sources, where are yours?  what are you basing your thoughts on this subject on other than your blatant hatred for refugees?

I can't wait to see you argue that these photographs are biased now.  Would you be happy if your kid (if you have any, I dunno) was in thsi condition?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2013/dec/06/nauru-gallery

too left for you? how about the Sydney Morning Herald?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/amnesty-international-repo...

Christ, even MURDOCH papers are reporting on this.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/conditions-at-nauru-horrendous-sen...

here is a direct link from the report from Amnesty, 131 pages of detailed information with sources about the detention facilities.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

Now cards on the table.  Prove you aren't just a hater.  Prove you make up your mind with something other than prejudice
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Reply #70 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:41pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.


You really are bad at arguing points you know that? 




Probably the worst of all members on this forum.

If he's not answering questions with questions, he's disputing the validity of evidence.

A true buffoon.

Actually, his sock - Postmodern Trendoid - is even worse.
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Reply #71 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:43pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:28pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:00pm:
Still, what Australians receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government?



Prisoners.

Now, do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions Stratos has described?



Prisoners, lol. okay.  Roll Eyes

I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.



You only believe what you want to believe: prisoners don't receive free food, clothing, and shelter from the government; Australia treats asylum seekers humanely; and, Santa Claus will be coming down your chimney in a few days time.

Only Misty    Roll Eyes

A fair dinkum idiot.


I just thought.




No, you didn't.

You never do.


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Reply #72 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:49pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.


You really are bad at arguing points you know that? 



OK, lets say they are indeed biased nasty lefty sources, where are yours?  what are you basing your thoughts on this subject on other than your blatant hatred for refugees?

I can't wait to see you argue that these photographs are biased now.  Would you be happy if your kid (if you have any, I dunno) was in thsi condition?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2013/dec/06/nauru-gallery

too left for you? how about the Sydney Morning Herald?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/amnesty-international-repo...

Christ, even MURDOCH papers are reporting on this.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/conditions-at-nauru-horrendous-sen...

here is a direct link from the report from Amnesty, 131 pages of detailed information with sources about the detention facilities.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

Now cards on the table.  Prove you aren't just a hater.  Prove you make up your mind with something other than prejudice



Again, you're just posting political propaganda. I read it all with skepticism. I am not a hater. I am more indifferent. I care for those close to me, not people who live 10,000 kms away. "Progressives" live in an inverted world. You sneer at your own people but bend over backward for foreigners. Take Peccy, for example. He rants on about bogans and other Australians, but never speaks ill of foreigners, even though they come from more conservative backgrounds than the people here.

If you want to play international socialism and save the world, so be it. But do it with your own time and money and stop using the tax payer as your own personal bank account.
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Reply #73 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:41pm:
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
I don't believe those sources. They are political and therefore have an agenda.


You really are bad at arguing points you know that? 




Probably the worst of all members on this forum.

If he's not answering questions with questions, he's disputing the validity of evidence.

A true buffoon.

Actually, his sock - Postmodern Trendoid - is even worse.


Peccy, the intellectual midget has three angles of debate:

1. Yell "they're not illegal".
2. Posting statistics on sodomy.
3. Posting pics.

Sad. Especially considering he has some sort of law degree.


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Reply #74 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 6:00pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:02pm:
Do you think it is acceptable to keep children in the conditions I have described?



If they're brown, and come from 10,000 kms away, the answer from Misty is a resounding "yes".

Moreover, he actually "thinks" there's nothing wrong with that.






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