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This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

Take note, Gandalf! Be careful with describing yourself as a 'moderate' Muslim if you should happen to go for a holiday in a Muslim country.

Ahmadiyya community, seen as 'non-Muslims' by the Muslim community.

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Ahmadiyya adherents believe that God sent Ghulam Ahmad, in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. They believe that he divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by championing what is in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by the Prophet Muhammad.

It's a non-violent version of Islam which every other Muslim sect rejects.

Anyway, here's poor ex-Brit ...

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A 72-year-old British doctor has been imprisoned in Pakistan for ‘posing as a Muslim’ after two men pretending to be patients recorded him reading the Koran.

Masood Ahmad, a member of the Ahmadiyya community, was arrested in Lahore last month after the two men had 'dragged him out by the neck' and beaten him.

Mr Ahmadi spent a majority of his life working as a doctor in London, but returned to Pakistan in 1982 to open a pharmacy.

According to Pakistani law, Ahmadis are non-Muslims and can be jailed for three years for 'posing as a Muslim' or 'outraging Muslims' feelings'.

It's a glorious religion, Islam. So touchy-feely, tolerant, caring-and-sharing.

What straight-thinking Muslim wants Islam without violence?

Those peace-loving Ahmadiyya 'Muslims' deserve violence to teach them not to stray from the True Path of Islam.

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

Not condoning persecution obviously, but the main reason Muslims have issue with the Ahmadiyya is not because of their non-violence, it is because they believe another prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

It sounds a bit like the Mormons really, people who revere a later prophet who is rejected by most of the rest of the believers.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40823 Gender:	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #2 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:51pm would you give a link please ?
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Reply #3 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:37pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

Not condoning persecution obviously, but the main reason Muslims have issue with the Ahmadiyya is not because of their non-violence, it is because they believe another prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

The ahamdi cannot call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan, the Pakistan penal code 295 says they can be jailed for outraging the religious beliefs of a muslim.

Abdus Salam won the first Nobel prize for a muslim in science, since they discovered he was an ahmadi they have removed the word "muslim" from his grave.
Abdus worked on Pakistan's nuclear project.

Islam says Mohammad was the final prophet from god, where do the ahmadi claim Mohammad was not the final prophet from god can you cite this or are you just repeating lies from muslims?

The Ahmadi are OK with separation of mosque and state which is considered heretical, they also dont believe in the obligation for jihad.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19188 Gender:	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:41pm The ahmadi are persecuted by mainstream Islam. https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org
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Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

would you give a link please ?

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The Ahmadi are also targets outside Pakistan.

In Indonesia, a gruesome YouTube video recorded a mass lynching in 2011 as police looked on.

Indonesia.

As police looked on.

Wasn't it gandalf trying to sell us the fiction that all that violence stuff is over there in the Middle East?

As a religion, Islam is damn-near satanic.

Beatings, burnings, beheadings, stonings, Death Fatwas, Sharia law, honor killings, wholesale rape, coaching children for sex, bombings, acid-in-the-face ...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.
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Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

I hope so.

It's a lot more tame than mainstream Islam.

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Insha'Allah, gandalf will convert to Ahmadiyya if he already hasn't. Cool

We've just got to make sure Indonesia's version of Rage Boy doesn't catch up with gandalf after he converts.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19188 Gender:	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #8 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm: This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching. Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream. Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?
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Reply #9 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:06pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

1/ Why are moslems intentionally misrepresenting the nature of ISLAM, to those who are not moslems ?

2/ Why are moslems misrepresenting ISLAM, AND, projecting that very accusation, onto those who are not moslems ?

Google;
Dispatches - Undercover Mosque, UK

WATCH THESE THREE YOUTUBE VIDEOS;

#1,

Mohamed Morsi-
"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

#2,
Please watch this YT... goto 4m 30s, alternatively, watch this YT through from the beginning.

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

#3,
Please watch this YT...

ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #10 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Is this true Gandalf?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #11 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 2:53pm There are no such things as MODERATE Muslims... there are Muslims and apostates... or Muslims and non-believers.
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Reply #12 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Is this true Gandalf?

As I recall I quoted what was a very mainstream islamic view - which just happened to be written by an ahmadi. Something about no prescribed punishment for blasphemy I think. But perhaps Baron can quote me, I can't find it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Is this true Gandalf?

As I recall I quoted what was a very mainstream islamic view - which just happened to be written by an ahmadi. Something about no prescribed punishment for blasphemy I think. But perhaps Baron can quote me, I can't find it.

You've got to admit Gandalf, Islam is a pretty mucked up religion. You can't deny that. They are all stupid but Islam takes the cake.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims. Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:55pm Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:42pm: You've got to admit Gandalf, Islam is a pretty mucked up religion. You can't deny that. They are all stupid but Islam takes the cake. yup yup yup uhuh uhuh
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