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Reply #15 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

Another case of a Muslim failing to see what is in front of his own eyes.

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said: “One who keeps the faults of a Muslim secret in this world, Allah will keep his faults in the Hereafter

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Surely if there was a better photograph they would have used it

Have you ever tried to take a photo of an entire room from within the room?

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Mr Chagtai said: ‘Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

‘It happens naturally and if Muslim women were disadvantaged they would be the first to complain. They are forthright, not meek and mild as those who do not understand Islam assume.

It did not happen naturally. The seats were arranged into two groups for them.

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‘We have consulted with Liberty and the Equalities and Human Rights Commission to ensure that we stay within the law and we do this by providing a mixed seating area for those who prefer this.

LOL - no evidence of segregation eh Stratos?

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Soon after this photograph was taken, the IERA was barred from University College London for segregating seating at a debate over the existence of God.

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Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ...
Reply #16 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Have you ever tried to take a photo of an entire room from within the room?

Well maybe they should have considered that before writing a massive beat up story around that exact photograph? I find it hard to believe that is the best photographical evidence they could have fond.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

It did not happen naturally. The seats were arranged into two groups for them.

Oh, does it say that somewhere?

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

LOL - no evidence of segregation eh Stratos?

Not based on the photo in the article no.

My point is simply that this is a weak article, nothing more.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ...
Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Another case of a Muslim failing to see what is in front of his own eyes.

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said: “One who keeps the faults of a Muslim secret in this world, Allah will keep his faults in the Hereafter

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Surely if there was a better photograph they would have used it

Have you ever tried to take a photo of an entire room from within the room?

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Mr Chagtai said: ‘Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

‘It happens naturally and if Muslim women were disadvantaged they would be the first to complain. They are forthright, not meek and mild as those who do not understand Islam assume.

It did not happen naturally. The seats were arranged into two groups for them.

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‘We have consulted with Liberty and the Equalities and Human Rights Commission to ensure that we stay within the law and we do this by providing a mixed seating area for those who prefer this.

LOL - no evidence of segregation eh Stratos?

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Soon after this photograph was taken, the IERA was barred from University College London for segregating seating at a debate over the existence of God.

Good

It was a public free lecture.

If you dont like the rules of the organisers then don't attend the lecture.Simple really.

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Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

It did not happen naturally. The seats were arranged into two groups for them.

Ah yes, the photo clearly shows a guy ushering men to the 'mens' table and women to the 'womens' table, plus you can clearly see tables marked "sisters" and "brothers" Tongue

from the article:

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Mr Chagtai said: ‘Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

‘It happens naturally and if Muslim women were disadvantaged they would be the first to complain. They are forthright, not meek and mild as those who do not understand Islam assume.

But hey, why take a muslim's word for it? Far better to make baseless assumptions. And since you've been channelling Yadda the last couple of days, maybe you can remind us to google "taqiyya: the muslim doctrine of deceit"

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

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Well maybe they should have considered that before writing a massive beat up story around that exact photograph?

The article actually reported on several instances.

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Oh, does it say that somewhere?

You can see it in the photo. I believe that was the reason for the photo.

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If you dont like the rules of the organisers then don't attend the lecture.Simple really.

It is not like that at all. Rather, if you don't like the rules, you can get them banned from campus for good, which is exactly what happened in one of the example cited. People do not have to put up with this sort of backwards mentality creeping into public institutions.

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But hey, why take a muslim's word for it?

The Muslim did not disagree with me. He did not claim there was no segregation. Rather, he claimed it happened "naturally". Basically he is saying that even in Britain, Islam has already created a culture that relegates women to positions of inferiority - automatically and without question.

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And since you've been channelling Yadda the last couple of days, maybe you can remind us to google "taqiyya: the muslim doctrine of deceit"

Here you go - let me know if there is anything there you disagree with:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims#Textual_j...

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ... Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:50pm freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:38pm: The Muslim did not disagree with me. umm... saying there is no forced segregation and that it only happens "naturally" is 100% disagreeing with the claim that the seats were "arranged" for segregation.
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Reply #21 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

The article actually reported on several instances.

Are you serious? This was the headline

Shocking picture shows how men were reserved front-row seats while women had to sit at the back

And then there is literally nothing to indicate that was actually what happened. There is no evidence from the pictures to show that men were reserved front row seats, or that women had to sit at the back.

Also, unless you are scared of Muslims or powerpoint presentations there really isn't anything shocking about it either

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

You can see it in the photo. I believe that was the reason for the photo.

Show me, show me where in the article there is proof thatfreediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

The seats were arranged into two groups for them.

Like I said, this article is terrible.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ... Reply #22 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:56pm The seats were arranged into two groups so that Muslims naturally segregate that way. If the seats were not split, how would they know where to sit? You cannot have natural automatic segregation into one group of seats. These are Muslims remember, you have to be careful or they might explode.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ... Reply #23 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 5:05pm The seats are split into two groups? How do you even know there isn't another table full of men right beside that table with one woman we can see? You are extrapolating an awful lot from one very unclear photo.
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Reply #24 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

The seats were arranged into two groups so that Muslims naturally segregate that way. If the seats were not split, how would they know where to sit? You cannot have natural automatic segregation into one group of seats. These are Muslims remember, you have to be careful or they might explode.

Yeah so, its a muslim event.

If a muslim invites me to a mosque and asks me to take off my shoes before I enter, I will do it.If I don't want to take my shoes off, then don't enter.

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Reply #25 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

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Further, as these are more than likely private functions

This was not a 'private' function. The guy was a guest speaker. It was not a dinner party. Do you feel some kind of desperate need to make up excuses, no matter how unlikely?

"Private function" does not mean that it is necessarily held in private, FD. You are just being obtuse. What it means is that it is not the University itself organising the function, rather it is an organisation separate to the University. Roll Eyes

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It is not the same thing though is it Brian? You basically had to equate a state run university with a church or synagog in order to frame your apologetics.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought the issue was segregation, was I mistaken? Is the issue about state funding of higher education institutions who then in turn RENT OUT their facilities to other groups within society to use? I have pointed out other religious groups which practice segregation. Where is your outrage? Oh, thats right, its purely reserved for Muslims, right. Roll Eyes

Again, I point out when this picture was taken THERE WERE NO UNIVERSITY RULES FORBIDDING segregation. THERE ARE NO LAWS making segregation illegal.

So, where does that leave your mock outrage, FD? Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

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How do you even know there isn't another table full of men right beside that table with one woman we can see?

That would be unnatural, wouldn't it? The women would distract the men from their important work, and might end up getting raped. You can't just leave pieces of meat lying out for the cat like that.

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Also, unless you are scared of Muslims or powerpoint presentations there really isn't anything shocking about it either

Sexual segregation happening at a public university in the UK is very unusual. Shocking even, enough to get the PM involved and enough to get Muslim groups banned from universities.

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If a muslim invites me to a mosque

Earth to wally, this was not a mosque. It was a university.

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"Private function" does not mean that it is necessarily held in private, FD. You are just being obtuse. What it means is that it is not the University itself organising the function, rather it is an organisation separate to the University.

I know you would like it to, but the University cannot simply absolve itself of responsibility for what happens on its own campus this way.

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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought the issue was segregation, was I mistaken?

Segregation in a University. If you cannot see the difference between that and segregation in a mosque that is your own deficiency.

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Again, I point out when this picture was taken THERE WERE NO UNIVERSITY RULES FORBIDDING segregation. THERE ARE NO LAWS making segregation illegal.

And yet a Muslim group has already been banned from a UK university for exactly that reason.

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Reply #28 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:08pm

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Muslim protestors demand restaurants and shops stop selling 'evil' alcohol warning them they face 40 lashes if they carry on

Dozens of men and women gathered on Brick Lane, East London
Delayed as English Defence League members staged counter-protest
Among protestors was Anjem Choudhary, former leader of Al-Muhajiroun
Organisers said protest was held yesterday to coincide with large numbers of office workers expected to be celebrating Christmas in the area

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The greater their number, the more their political power.

Muslim activists need do nothing but simply wait for Muslim birthrates and the immigration program to give them the power to elect members of parliament who will act on their behalf.

The British political elite have already made peers of several Muslims ... Lord this and Lord that.

It's only a matter of time before the Islamisation of Britain will be in free-fall, and irreversible without a civil war.

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Reply #29 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

HERE WERE NO UNIVERSITY RULES FORBIDDING segregation. THERE ARE NO LAWS making segregation illegal.

There are no laws making sh!tting in the park illegal. Yet you know it is not something you should do.

This is the problem with giving freedom to people who do not want to fit in- they will demand a rule. But the point of social cohesion and solidarity is that people live together in a settled, common understanding of what makes their society a society, and their own.

With aliens like Muslims, Hindus, Gypsies and others, the fundamental idea of a shared, unstated, common ground goes out the window.

SO you now need chapter and verse of the law to back up your expectation that the sexes should not be segregated in public places or that sh!tting in the park is not an affirmation of a free society.

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