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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Atheists face death in 13 Islamic countries. Reply #15 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:23pm Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:06pm: The video is relevant because it shows how atheists in the Islamic part of the world have to be subtle in mocking Islam So they guy in the video is really an atheist?
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Reply #16 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

The video is relevant because it shows how atheists in the Islamic part of the world have to be subtle in mocking Islam

So they guy in the video is really an atheist?

They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy.

He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam.

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Reply #17 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

It was a monk in a monastery who discovered coffee, Islam does not have monks or monasteries.

While no one is certain who exactly first discovered the modern technique for preparing coffee, most sources support that it came from Islamic culture, including the fact that the Catholic Church decided to ban it because it was deemed as "Islamic".

Meh, I don't really care, Freediver got his one invention. Also Wikiislam is a really biased website, it has some interesting things on it, but it is quite unrepresentative. It pretends the giddy goat legend is truth and debunks that. It's just a story lol, and then shows yet another story (written centuries after coffee drinking became popular) as further evidence to refute it.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #18 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Also Wikiislam is a really biased website, it has some interesting things on it, but it is quite unrepresentative. It pretends the giddy goat legend is truth and debunks that. It's just a story lol, and then shows yet another story (written centuries after coffee drinking became popular) as further evidence to refute it.

You could always ask the council of ex muslims for an opinion on wiki islam or death for apostasy, they have members who contribute to wiki islam and also have to pretend to be muslim due to the harsh penalty for apostasy.

www.councilofexmuslims.com

Ali Sina was involved in creating wiki islam
www.alisina.org

Do you have anything to contribute to the topic which is the death penalty for apostasy in 13 Islamic countries?

Indonesia is a more moderate, they only throw atheists in jail after the mad mob attacks them.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

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Reply #19 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Do you have anything to contribute to the topic which is the death penalty for apostasy in 13 Islamic countries?

I was answering a question Freediver asked, and you gave evidence too. I really don't know much about the thread, but answered when there was something I thoght I could contribute to. I'm just responding.

And yes, there are biased websites that are obviously pro Muslim, but that doesn't make it OK or reasonable to provide anti Muslim biased articles either.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #20 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy.

He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam.

I see. I didn't realise you were being serious when you suggested he was an atheist.

Apologies for deleting the video. Still learning the ropes Embarrassed

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Reply #21 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy.

He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam.

I see. I didn't realise you were being serious when you suggested he was an atheist.

Apologies for deleting the video. Still learning the ropes Embarrassed

I reckon the guy from the No woman no drive video could also be an atheist, he was scratching his beard,making fun of the driving fatwa on ovaries,done in a manner to not upset the bearded nutjobs who called for Hamza Kashgari's head.

So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch?

Is it going to be left to atheists to expose how barbaric Islamic laws can be?

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Dear Atheists, we ex muslims are waiting for you

Dear atheists, we ex muslims are waiting for you guys to get over christianity and start waging war against Islam for a change.Yeah sure it is fun bashing the buy-bull ,fundies,priests,young earthers, the pope ,etc,but really dont you guys think it is time to shift some attention to Islam?

We ex muslims are a very small minority, and there is nothing we can really do to change anything.We cant form organisations or voice our thoughts in most muslim countries.We practically have no rights whatsoever besides the right to go to jail or be hanged or beheaded for our blasphemy

But the voice of millions of atheists like all of you would significantly help us.It brings into world attention our plight,and all the horrible things Islam is responsible for,and how it has oppressed and destroyed many of our lives.It would at least help to change some laws that would benefit us ex muslims.

While christianity still deserves our attention, the role of Islam around the world demands our attention.

As it is practised around the world,Islam is a consummation of all the worst religion has to offer.

-Cult like isolation from other world views means generation after generation is born in to ignorance

-Circumcision of boys and girls, because healthy children are not born perfect:they must have a knife taken to their genitals

-Leaving the faith means death. Apostasy is considered one of the worst crimes

-Treating women as sub human pieces of property that must be beaten into obedience (quran 4:34) means at least half the population is silenced before they can speak.

-Reward of heaven is used as an incentive to kill and maim innocent people

-Unyielding dogma leaves no room for thoughtful criticism nor humor.

-Islam means submission, they want to be slaves to their god, its right there in the name.

This is not a religion of peace and we need to be more vocal about calling muslims out when they perpetuate this lie.

Source-www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/26/dear-atheists-we-ex-muslims-are...

Death for apostasy shows Islam is not compatible with Article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights, Islam is the only religion in 2013 that is not compatible with human rights.

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Reply #22 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch?

How many muslim countries don't have the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy? How many do?

When you have the answer to that, then you should be able to tell me which muslims are triumphing - the pro-death for apostasy and blasphemy, or the anti-death.

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Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:45am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch?

How many muslim countries don't have the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy? How many do?

When you have the answer to that, then you should be able to tell me which muslims are triumphing -

I dont think we have a proper tally of those Islamic countries that kill atheists.

In this past thread we only have 7 countries listed which has grown to 13 in this thread,it makes it pretty clear which muslims are triumphing and its not the munafiqs (hypocrites).
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325

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Reply #25 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:32am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Australia has a large percentage of people with no religion, was it around 23-25% in the last census.
Bob Hawke was an atheist PM elected over 30 years ago.

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Atheists face death in 13 countries,global discrimination:study

In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly expouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law,according to a detailed study issued on tuesday.

A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just 7 where death,often by public beheading ,is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy

But this years more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan,Iran,Malaysia,Maldives,Mauritania,Nigeria (muslim part),Pakistan,Qatar,Saudia Arabia,Somalia,Sudan,UAE and Yemen.

www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

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Reply #26 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. Completely inexcusable.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric and inexcusable.

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Reply #27 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric.

Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

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Reply #28 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:21pm

One of the Malaysian states with a higher proportion of Muslims passed a law introducing the death penalty for apostasy. Luckily the federal government intervened. According to Gandalf the Muslims who support this sort of thing don't really mean it and would change their mind when faced with the reality of it.

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Reply #29 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric.

Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries.

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