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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #30 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 10:07am An unfounded statement / accusation, that the vandals were Christians, was a deliberate lie. CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #31 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 10:14am An unfounded statement / accusation, that the vandals were Christians, was a deliberate lie. CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this site Double post, don't know why, first time nothing happened, then second time they both appeared
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45688	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #32 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:22pm In order to prove your contention that HB is a "proven liar" you must prove he lied. Thus far you have failed dismally.
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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #33 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:22pm:

In order to prove your contention that HB is a "proven liar" you must prove he lied. Thus far you have failed dismally. Roll Eyes

LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally.

PS, was that you I saw using a wiki reference? Don't you normally roll your eyes at use of wiki and sniffily declare it to be below the standards that require when you are pretending to be an academic on the interwebs?

You two are so funny and not in a good way.

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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #34 - Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02am

Datalife wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:35pm:

LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally.

so, you don't have an explcit reference? Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?

Even if you are absolutely right here, that would make him a hypocrite, not a liar.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #35 - Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 8:21am

Stratos wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02am:

Datalife wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:35pm:

LOL, by the standards he routinely demands of others, ie an explicit reference he has failed dismally.

so, you don't have an explcit reference? Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?

hehehe, No I don't have an explicit reference, not dipping an oar in there, I was riffing about the failing dismally bit. Read back a bit and take it a bit slower and my remark will make sense to you...or maybe not. I don't have a great deal of confidence in your abilities.

But now that you have dipped your oar in, do you have an explicit reference? Grin

. See what I did there, holding you to the same standard you have just attempted to lambast me for? I love you idiots.

PS after just trashing your own attempt at a "point" you might want to have a go at this "Or does that mean the same standards he has, which you are currently in the process of trying to trash?". I have no clue what you are blathering about.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #36 - Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:55pm Hot Breath unequivocally stated the vandals were Christian, there is no evidence to support his malicious, fallacious claims, therefore: CONCLUSION:Hot Breath is a proven LIAR on this debate site
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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #37 - Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!

A bit, perhaps.

What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims?

Do you have a link to the actual news story?

When did this happen?

Was anyone charged?

A few more details would be nice.

Any answers, to the questions above?

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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #38 - Dec 25^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!

A bit, perhaps.

What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims?

Any answers, to the questions above?

If they did it would be the fault of the Muselman. He started it, you see.

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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #39 - Dec 25^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

FD wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

In fact it is entirely presumptuous of us to suppose that this vandalism was committed by a moslem!

A bit, perhaps.

What would prevent an atheist/Buddhist/Scientologist/Christian from doing this in order to stir up some hate against the Muslims?

Any answers, to the questions above?

If they did it would be the fault of

the Muselman.

He started it, you see.

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ISLAMIC CULTURE, in the form of ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

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ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

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"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"

Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

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ISLAMIC CULTURE, FROM THE KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

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Mild mannered Mohamed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #40 - Dec 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm

Yadda. No one reads anything you write when it's like that. If you have a point, just say it, for as the good book says: "37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one"

People will pay attention to you far more if you keep it simple and don't use pages of quotes, font changes and colours.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #41 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:59am

Stratos wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Yadda. No one reads anything you write.....

That is their choice, Stratos.

Stratos,

In conflicts [with others], deceit and deception is a tactic of the 'theatre' of war and conflict.

So in public forums,

why should would moslems want to confront the truth, about what ISLAM sanctions and promotes ?

i.e.
Enmity and violence and murder, against those who are not moslems.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 Volume 1, Page 77b: One Who Ignores His Prayers

Stratos,

How would you describe a group of people who choose to follow a philosophy, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder mankind ?

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

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"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"

Mohammed - the prophet of peace.

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Stratos said;

"The passages from the Hadith also aren't actively encouraging [terrorism] either, just saying that it happened."

HADITH....

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

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......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

AND AGAIN,
JUST FOR Stratos [....who pretends that he doesn't have the wit, to 'join the dots'];

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

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Yadda. No one reads anything you write.....

I know, Stratos.

There are no 'issues' at all,

to address, with ISLAM/moslems.

There is only 'the work', to disparage and castigate the critics of ISLAM, to attack and to silence them.

Why won't people like yourself, address the issues Stratos ?

"We have only to remove those who oppose us."

Saruman - LOTR - The Two Towersi

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Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians"
- Mohamed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Q.
Who is it that chooses to embrace that 'culture' ?

A.

The moslem.

'What a friend we have in Jesus people like Stratos.'

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22603 A cat with a view	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #42 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:04am Stratos, Do you imagine, that a moslem 'loves' you ? You are living in a dream world, Stratos. You are being 'used'.
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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #43 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:11am

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

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Yadda. No one reads anything you write.....

I know, Stratos.

There are no 'issues' at all,

to address, with ISLAM/moslems.

There is only 'the work', to disparage and castigate the critics of ISLAM, to attack and to silence them.

Why won't people like yourself, address the issues Stratos ?

Stratos,

For people like yourself, you do not care if moslems are terrorising and murdering others, in other jurisdictions.

Because as long as you are being 'stroked', ....you do not care about what moslems are doing to others.

Stratos,

People like yourself, do not care

if moslems are a group of people who choose to follow a philosophy, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder mankind.

So long as Stratos is being 'stroked', all is well with the world.

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Stratos,

QUESTION;
If the religious violence in the world, which is being attributed to moslems/ISLAM, is not attributable to moslems/ISLAM, then;

Who is responsible for all of this religious violence in the world, that is being attributed [to moslems and the influence of] ISLAM, Stratos ?i+++

CAUSE?;

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

EFFECT?;

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February 5, 2008
70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh
....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php

NOT ACCORDING TO PEOPLE LIKE Stratos!

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany Reply #44 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:35am Yadda. I made no mention about Muslims in my post. I'm just saying when you post in that crayon coloured and copy pasted verbose hyperbole, I'm not going to read it. You are literally quoting your own previous posts and making them three times as long as they need to be.
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