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Spineless Christian Apologetics
Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:34am

Yadda is a perfect example of a spineless Christian apologetic and here is proof!

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I trust God

Does this mean you agree with God's actions when he ordered the Israelites to massacre 6 separate peoples.

Stratos,

I have no quarrel with God, and with what God ordered the Israelites to do.

He is perfectly willing to accept genocide if committed in the name of his Christian "God". Cheesy

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Reply #1 - Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 6:59pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:34am:

Yadda is a perfect example of a spineless Christian apologetic and here is proof!

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I trust God

Does this mean you agree with God's actions when he ordered the Israelites to massacre 6 separate peoples.

Stratos,

I have no quarrel with God, and with what God ordered the Israelites to do.

He is perfectly willing to accept genocide if committed in the name of his Christian "God". Cheesy

Not technically THE Christian God there Jnr... Christ didn't exist nor therefore did his teachings. Want me to explain Jews/Jebrews/Torah/Old testament for you? Better yet... sit down with the rest of the bwaintwust and all do some research for a few months.

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Reply #3 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:11am

Grendel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:34am:

Yadda is a perfect example of a spineless Christian apologetic and here is proof!

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I trust God

Does this mean you agree with God's actions when he ordered the Israelites to massacre 6 separate peoples.

Stratos,

I have no quarrel with God, and with what God ordered the Israelites to do.

He is perfectly willing to accept genocide if committed in the name of his Christian "God". Cheesy

Not technically THE Christian God there Jnr... Christ didn't exist nor therefore did his teachings. Want me to explain Jews/Jebrews/Torah/Old testament for you? Better yet... sit down with the rest of the bwaintwust and all do some research for a few months.

Did Noah exist?

(and his big boat)

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Reply #4 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:34am:

Yadda is a perfect example of a spineless Christian apologetic and here is proof!

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I trust God

Does this mean you agree with God's actions when he ordered the Israelites to massacre 6 separate peoples.

Stratos,

I have no quarrel with God, and with what God ordered the Israelites to do.

He is perfectly willing to accept genocide if committed in the name of his Christian "God". Cheesy

Not technically THE Christian God there Jnr... Christ didn't exist nor therefore did his teachings. Want me to explain Jews/Jebrews/Torah/Old testament for you? Better yet... sit down with the rest of the bwaintwust and all do some research for a few months.

The old testament is definitely part of the Bible. I just had a glance inside mine and yes, it's there. Now, the Bible is the book of God's teachings and divinely inspired according Christians. So, essentially what you're saying is that there is more than one God (one in the old testament and one in new testament and they are different beings) and that half of the Christians' holy book is completely irrelevant to their teachings? This seems to run contrary to what most Christians believe from my readings of their writings.

Seems an odd thing to claim. Are you sure you're not the one who needs to do some research? Grin

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Reply #5 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

The Old Testament is a record of the covenant of God With the Israelites

The New Testament is a record of the covenant between Christ and His followers.

Most of the anti Christian brigade always try to equate Deuteronomy and the law as being binding on Christians. They are lying:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So over 2000 years ago the Law was done away with for Christians.

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Reply #6 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

The Old Testament is a record of the covenant of God With the Israelites

The New Testament is a record of the covenant between Christ and His followers.

Most of the anti Christian brigade always try to equate Deuteronomy and the law as being binding on Christians. They are lying:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So over 2000 years ago the Law was done away with for Christians.

"The Sabbath (law) was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

This is why Islam (submission to the law) and Christianity (the right relationship) cannot be reconciled. Islam is about performing the ritual, Christianity about relating to one another with love.
Islam is easy ("don't think, do it our way"), Christianity is very hard (look into your own heart and take personal responsibility).

And there is much, much more residual Christianity in secular Western societies that anything resembling the Islamic or Orthodox Jewish obeyance to the revealed letter of the law.

Even in legal terms, the English common law tradition is as Christianity to the continental, Napoleonic, French black letter law of Orthodox Judaism and Islam.

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Reply #7 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:34am:

Yadda is a perfect example of a spineless Christian apologetic and here is proof!

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I trust God

Does this mean you agree with God's actions when he ordered the Israelites to massacre 6 separate peoples.

Stratos,

I have no quarrel with God, and with what God ordered the Israelites to do.

He is perfectly willing to accept genocide if committed in the name of his Christian "God". Cheesy

Not technically THE Christian God there Jnr... Christ didn't exist nor therefore did his teachings. Want me to explain Jews/Jebrews/Torah/Old testament for you? Better yet... sit down with the rest of the bwaintwust and all do some research for a few months.

The old testament is definitely part of the Bible. I just had a glance inside mine and yes, it's there. Now, the Bible is the book of God's teachings and divinely inspired according Christians. So, essentially what you're saying is that there is more than one God (one in the old testament and one in new testament and they are different beings) and that half of the Christians' holy book is completely irrelevant to their teachings? This seems to run contrary to what most Christians believe from my readings of their writings.

Seems an odd thing to claim. Are you sure you're not the one who needs to do some research? Grin

You don't understand the testaments do you?
You do realise there can be no Christianity without Christ right?
Given that even a Tard should understand that what don't you understand about there being no Christianity or Christians before Christ?

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Reply #8 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:51pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

So, essentially what you're saying is that there is more than one God (one in the old testament and one in new testament and they are different beings) and that half of the Christians' holy book is completely irrelevant to their teachings? This seems to run contrary to what most Christians believe from my readings of their writings.

Seems an odd thing to claim. Are you sure you're not the one who needs to do some research? Grin

Your reading of their writing, you say??? Fascinating Tits - sorry - Fascinating, Tits.

Tell us about 'your reading of their writings'. Who are you reading? What do they say about the relationship of the old and the new testaments?

Share Tits - sorry - Share, Tits.

And while we are on to your 'reading of their writings', what do your Islamic writers say about the difference between the old and new testaments?
You seem to read so much, you must know so much. Tell us.

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Reply #10 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

Yet the Old Testament remains included in the Bible. Yet, the Old Testament is quoted by many Christians to justify their most heinous acts.

All this BS you're posting is typical obsfucation by Christian apologetics. You try and lie your way out the reality of what your holy book teaches - violence, hatred and intolerance for anybody who is an non-believer!

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Reply #11 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:22pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:40pm:

You don't understand the testaments do you?

Of course I understand them. Both are part of the Bible. Therefore both are part of the teachings of the Christian church to it's followers. This is self-evident from the way in which the Christian apologetics like yourself try and obscure the fact that the Old Testament is an integral part of the Bible.

If it had no significance it would have been discarded from the start and not been included or come with a big warning that it was outdated/outmoded/obsolescent.

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You do realise there can be no Christianity without Christ right?

So why is the Old Testament an integral part of Christianity's teachings? Why is it quoted endlessly in Christian services and writings?

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Given that even a Tard should understand that what don't you understand about there being no Christianity or Christians before Christ?

So why do they include the Old Testament in the Bible? It's all about the Jews not Christians so obviously it shouldn't concern them but they do and it does! Grin

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Reply #12 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

Yet the Old Testament remains included in the Bible. Yet, the Old Testament is quoted by many Christians to justify their most heinous acts.

Are you saying that when they do this they are like the Muslims? Implying, as you so eloquently do, that Muslims should be open to no less critical ridicule and when they are criticised it is no more racist and no more a religious persecution than what you just did now?

Well done, five squeezes from me, Tits.

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Reply #13 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

Yet the Old Testament remains included in the Bible. Yet, the Old Testament is quoted by many Christians to justify their most heinous acts.

Are you saying that when they do this they are like the Muslims? Implying, as you so eloquently do, that Muslims should be open to no less critical ridicule and when they are criticised it is no more racist and no more a religious persecution than what you just did now?

Well done, five squeezes from me, Tits.

Have you noticed Soren, the difference between extremism and moderate believers? No one here is remotely defending Islamic Extremism, or any other kind of religious extremism (well, except Yadda the genocide advocate)

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #14 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

The Old Testament proclaims ancient & sometimes fundamentalist doctrine, which is replaced by Christian Doctrine in the New Testament.

Yet the Old Testament remains included in the Bible. Yet, the Old Testament is quoted by many Christians to justify their most heinous acts.

Are you saying that when they do this they are like the Muslims? Implying, as you so eloquently do, that Muslims should be open to no less critical ridicule and when they are criticised it is no more racist and no more a religious persecution than what you just did now?

Well done, five squeezes from me, Tits.

Have you noticed Soren, the difference between extremism and moderate believers? No one here is remotely defending Islamic Extremism, or any other kind of religious extremism (well, except Yadda the genocide advocate)

Awwww Stratos!, you are just afraid that i may be correct.

And [afraid] that my God is going to kill you all, for being infidels!!! Grin

[pssssst!, you should be!]

Dictionary;
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1 the action or state of being sexually unfaithful.
2 lack of religious faith.i+++

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Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

2 Corinthians 6:15
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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