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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #30 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

The LW media which is most of the Australian media

Sorry grendel, but I stopped taking you seriously at this point.

Why... it isn't difficult to figure out.
Count the tv shows.
Radio programs.
Count the websites.
Count the journalists...

The Left win hands down gandalf... ignorance in your case must be bliss eh.

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #31 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:15pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

The LW media which is most of the Australian media

Sorry grendel, but I stopped taking you seriously at this point.

Why... it isn't difficult to figure out.
Count the tv shows.
Radio programs.
Count the websites.
Count the journalists...

The Left win hands down gandalf... ignorance in your case must be bliss eh.

It obviously is in yours, if you truly believe what you've posted.

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #32 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Shorten has done a great job in presenting himself as above the petty, negative sloganeering that we have been bombarded with by the opposition for the last 6 years. Everything he opposes he has done constructively while presenting a viable alternative. He does not simply say 'no' for the sake of saying no like Abbott. This will hold him in good stead long term.

You know every claim I make I can back up... but not political propaganda... why then do you think it is ok to quote it as if it is fact?

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #33 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.

What short-sighted rubbish. "old" labor would have rolled over and died regarding the carbon pricing - and thats what everyone expected them to do. New and vitalised labor shocked everyone by promising to stick to it. This was a visionary decision - not just environmentally, but economically as well. When the international community moves to a global ETS, and the business community is begging the government to jump on board, public will start wondering "what was all this scrap carbon pricing malarchy all about??" In reality, 'axeing the tax' only made sense in the context of "Juliar" and the alleged broken promise. It was all about trust in government, nothing to do with good economic and environmental policy.

The electorate - and history - will reward Bill Shorten for his vision.

Not listening to the majority and betraying them is what got them booted out in the first place...
We keep telling you and you keep ignoring us... Roll Eyes

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #34 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

3 years ago, the lied-to public wanted to skewer Labor over the carbon tax and 3 years later did exactly that.

The furore was about the "lie" not the tax. No one has any beef about the tax - why would they? Wyalla hasn't been "wiped out", no one suffers under the tax due to the compensation packages, and businesses are actually getting used to the idea of a price on carbon.

God willing Australia will have an ETS up and running in the next few years, and once we do Abbott's mantra about "scrap the tax - or the sky will fall" will just seem totally out of touch.

Good grief....
The people didn't want the tax.... Labor saw that and said... there will be no tax... so some trusted them and voted for them again.
Then they betrayed those people and everyone else who didn't want the tax...
How many times must this be repeated to you?

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #35 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:22pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.

What short-sighted rubbish. "old" labor would have rolled over and died regarding the carbon pricing - and thats what everyone expected them to do. New and vitalised labor shocked everyone by promising to stick to it. This was a visionary decision - not just environmentally, but economically as well. When the international community moves to a global ETS, and the business community is begging the government to jump on board, public will start wondering "what was all this scrap carbon pricing malarchy all about??" In reality, 'axeing the tax' only made sense in the context of "Juliar" and the alleged broken promise. It was all about trust in government, nothing to do with good economic and environmental policy.

The electorate - and history - will reward Bill Shorten for his vision.

Not listening to the majority and betraying them is what got them booted out in the first place...
We keep telling you and you keep ignoring us... Roll Eyes

No, that would have been the consistent campaign of lies and misrepresentation by the Right.

We keep ignoring you simply because you are wrong.

It isn't hard.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144009 Gender:	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #36 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:23pm Stratos wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:26pm: matty wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:11pm: illegal boat people This is wrong. Stop being wrong Matty He wouldn't be matty if he wasn't being wrong. "illegal"
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #37 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:42pm IMHO, gandalf is spot on.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #38 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:47pm Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:15pm: You know every claim I make I can back up cough sorry, choked on my drink there for a second. Sorry, continue
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10277 Gender:	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #39 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:50pm Labor need to figure out if they're a party for the middle man and/or working classes, or a party for trendies and every hip minority cause.
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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #40 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

The Contracting States shall not impose penalties

I dunno, convicting them of a crime (which crime by the way are they guilty of by the way, you still haven't said) seems like a penalty to me.

How about you?

If they are committing a crime, someone better tell Scott Morrison, because there are literally thousands of unpunished criminals waiting offshore! Hop to it Scotty!

Which crime are they convicted of, and what penalty is imposed??

(hint: detaining them for health and ID checks isn't a penalty, nor is it a conviction, there's not appearance before a magistrate involved)

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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #41 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Which crime are they convicted of, and what penalty is imposed??

(hint: detaining them for health and ID checks isn't a penalty, nor is it a conviction, there's not appearance before a magistrate involved)

I was taking the piss, because they are of course not committing a crime. Trying to point out how dumb it is to call the illegals.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #42 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm They should be detained for health and ID checks absolutely. Then they should remain detained until such time as they can be processed - however long that takes. All perfectly fine with me. You know France often does not process them and refuses them entry.
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Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #43 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

It is too early to make predictions about the result of the next election, but the occasional opinion poll that puts the ALP in front suggest that it's not impossible. Rudd's choosing to leave politics will be particularly helpful to the ALP's future chances.

How both sides perform over the next three years will decide their fate. Early on, the Coalition are faltering in their handling of foreign relations and their perceived breaking of an election promise, while the ALP have so far run reasonably well. But the race to the next election is a marathon, not a sprint, and we still have 92% or so of the race to run.

Agree with most of the sentiments but it's over 95% left to run.

It is 12 weeks since the election. Three years is 156 weeks. 12/156 = 0.0769; hence my 92%.

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Labor have so far failed to show they've actually learned anything from their defeat.

Disputable. The ALP leadership election ballot was intended to show a new way of choosing a leader; while it was a bit stage managed it was far from the rancorous leadership challenges of the past.

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So they are leaving any run late by the looks and it appears to me at least, with those in charge, they are not likely to have learned anything nor will they change before the next election.

With nearly three years to the next election, it's a bit of a stretch to assert that it's too late for any "run". There's plenty of time for all parties to present their credentials to the electorate before the next election.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election Reply #44 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:52pm A discarded band aid could win the next election...one term tony is even more incompetent than Malcolm Fraser and his loathsome imbicile of a treasurer were
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