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Reply #15 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:35pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:23pm:
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I dunno, convicting them of a crime (which crime by the way are they guilty of by the way, you still haven't said) seems like a penalty to me.

How about you?

If they are committing a crime, someone better tell Scott Morrison, because there are literally thousands of unpunished criminals waiting offshore!  Hop to it Scotty!
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:37pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:10pm:
The LW media which is most of the Australian media


Sorry grendel, but I stopped taking you seriously at this point.
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Reply #17 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:38pm
 
Stratos wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
  EDIT:  missed the change, they are indeed called "illegal maritime arrivals" now thanks to the new government.  They are still wrong, and are not guilty of any crime


Is that down to the new government?  You will of course provide a reference for that claim.

After all, it is Labor not Liberals that have the history of being cruel to asylum seekers.  Though you wouldn't know it from the luvvies.  Grin

Lets see they legislated mandatory detention, you can thank Keating for that,  excised the mainland (despite previously describing it as "a stain on our national character", got rid of govt funded vocational and English lessons, no automatic access to the dole and in cases where it could be received, legislated that it be a lower amount,  they stopped asylum seekers being allowed to work and just for giggles decreed that asylum seekers be sent for resettlement in PNG.  All Labor.   

What was it the great Labor man said?  Oh yeah, "I'm not having hundreds of smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious and political hatreds against us!".

Some of you lefties need to get a grip on which party you try to demonise.  Or maybe it is just ignorance of the facts.
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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
Shorten has done a great job in presenting himself as above the petty, negative sloganeering that we have been bombarded with by the opposition for the last 6 years. Everything he opposes he has done constructively while presenting a viable alternative. He does not simply say 'no' for the sake of saying no like Abbott. This will hold him in good stead long term.
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Reply #19 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people-called-illegals-20131019-2vtl0.html

Morrison did it
Datalife wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:38pm:
After all, it is Labor not Liberals that have the history of being cruel to asylum seekers


Kevin Rudd will want to be remembered as the PM who gave the apology to the Indigenous Australians.  I will remember him as the Pm who decided to indefinitely imprison innocent children.  I'm never going to defend labor on this, and never have.

The Liberals are currently no better however, continuing on with Labor's institutionalised torture of innocent children
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Reply #20 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 2:15pm
 
The way one term tony and his merry band of morons are going a retarded one armed midget on death row could win the next election in a landslide  Cheesy
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Reply #21 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 2:35pm
 
Much too early and tony has put himself in a perfect position for the rest of the term.

It can only improve and any thought of unreal expectation is gone.
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Reply #22 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:11pm
 
only 1 boat this week.. he must be doing something right.
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Reply #23 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:33pm
 
matty wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:57am:
The way these rubberdicks are (under)performing so far, all Labor would have to do to win is to turn up.


How about the debt, deficit, carbon tax lie and illegal boat people coming in by the thousand? It doesn't matter what you say Kat, you are a Labor hack, and you were never going to give the Coalition a chance, no matter what they did/do.


Oh, you must mean the ones that only exist in the small and narrow minds of the con-servatives?

Because they don't exist in the real world. The debt and deficit are irrelevant, as has been proven. The carbon 'tax' is
nothing of the kind, and I'd welcome the so-called 'illegals' long before I'd welcome an Aussie con-servative.

And no, this con-alition wouldn't have ever gotten my vote.

I don't vote for fascism, nationalist scum, or traitors. Or the blindly incompetent.

This mob fit all four descriptions.
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Reply #24 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:09am:
...in my opinion anyway.

First and foremost, last election was a rejection of the dysfunctional labor government, not an endorsement of the coalition as an alternative government.

Secondly, labor have already renewed and given the public a 'fresh slate' - far more quickly than I think anyone predicted. This is in no small part to Kevin Rudd's recent announcement that he will retire. With both Gillard and Rudd gone, Labor under Shorten is already making great strides as projecting themselves as "reborn out of the ashes" - helped greatly by the fact that all but one senior minister retained their seat. In addition, the largely theatrical "grassroots" leadership ballot was a propaganda coup for labor IMO - even though the "grassroots" was overruled - it has helped (rightly or wrongly) re-image labor as more transparent, less factionalised, and less beholden to the "faceless men" - basically the number one thing that the public hated about labor during Gillard's term.

Thirdly, and ironically, after the years of negative campaigning and three word sloganeering, Tony Abbott may have created a media trap for himself. No opposition leader has better utilized the 24 hour media cycle than Tony Abbott - but this is already coming back to bite him. Its not just that his rhetoric while in opposition on boats, budget and debt are at odds with what he is doing on those issues now that he is in government, but the new 'frenzied' media culture that he created, is only too willing to shine the spotlight on these inconsistencies. And the best thing for labor, is that Tony Abbott gets shown in a negative light, while not even having to be the negative ones.

I'm not saying the coalition government will be particularly bad, or that they will be making complete howlers, but rather the atmosphere at the last election was more about getting rid of a government - not about providing a great opportunity for the coalition - once in government - to prosper at it. Basically, the cards had been stacked against a successful Abbott government even before the election, and this has only been enhanced by the successful rehabilitation of the labor party as a viable alternative government.


where to begin....

Labor has renewed itself?????  Labor is identical to the old labor.  It has not changed a single policy but even retains the hated Carbon Tax which torpedoed Gillard and put Labor into an unwinnable position.  Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.

Labors biggest problem is that nothing has changed.  Same old people, same old policies and same old corrupt party machinery.
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Reply #25 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.


What short-sighted rubbish. "old" labor would have rolled over and died regarding the carbon pricing - and thats what everyone expected them to do. New and vitalised labor shocked everyone by promising to stick to it. This was a visionary decision - not just environmentally, but economically as well. When the international community moves to a global ETS, and the business community is begging the government to jump on board, public will start wondering "what was all this scrap carbon pricing malarchy all about??" In reality, 'axeing the tax' only made sense in the context of "Juliar" and the alleged broken promise. It was all about trust in government, nothing to do with good economic and environmental policy.

The electorate - and history - will reward Bill Shorten for his vision.
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Reply #26 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.


What short-sighted rubbish. "old" labor would have rolled over and died regarding the carbon pricing - and thats what everyone expected them to do. New and vitalised labor shocked everyone by promising to stick to it. This was a visionary decision - not just environmentally, but economically as well. When the international community moves to a global ETS, and the business community is begging the government to jump on board, public will start wondering "what was all this scrap carbon pricing malarchy all about??" In reality, 'axeing the tax' only made sense in the context of "Juliar" and the alleged broken promise. It was all about trust in government, nothing to do with good economic and environmental policy.

The electorate - and history - will reward Bill Shorten for his vision
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Yeah right... talk about naïve.  3 years ago, the lied-to public wanted to skewer Labor over the carbon tax and 3 years later did exactly that.  in 3 years time Labor will be left with a carbon tax policy they cant even reject.  Would anyone really believe labor next election saying there will be no carbon tax???

this is old labor that needs another electoral flogging to finally get the message and perhaps an internal change.
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Reply #27 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Since Labor will be campaigning on RE-introducing a carbon tax in 2016, their fate is sealed.


What short-sighted rubbish. "old" labor would have rolled over and died regarding the carbon pricing - and thats what everyone expected them to do. New and vitalised labor shocked everyone by promising to stick to it. This was a visionary decision - not just environmentally, but economically as well. When the international community moves to a global ETS, and the business community is begging the government to jump on board, public will start wondering "what was all this scrap carbon pricing malarchy all about??" In reality, 'axeing the tax' only made sense in the context of "Juliar" and the alleged broken promise. It was all about trust in government, nothing to do with good economic and environmental policy.

The electorate - and history - will reward Bill Shorten for his vision
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Yeah right... talk about naïve.  3 years ago, the lied-to public wanted to skewer Labor over the carbon tax and 3 years later did exactly that.  in 3 years time Labor will be left with a carbon tax policy they cant even reject.  Would anyone really believe labor next election saying there will be no carbon tax???

this is old labor that needs another electoral flogging to finally get the message and perhaps an internal change.



They were lied-to, alright.

By the Libs, and by the grubby gutter press.

And, to their eternal shame, they bought the lies.
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Reply #28 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:37pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
3 years ago, the lied-to public wanted to skewer Labor over the carbon tax and 3 years later did exactly that.


The furore was about the "lie" not the tax. No one has any beef about the tax - why would they? Wyalla hasn't been "wiped out", no one suffers under the tax due to the compensation packages, and businesses are actually getting used to the idea of a price on carbon.

God willing Australia will have an ETS up and running in the next few years, and once we do Abbott's mantra about "scrap the tax - or the sky will fall" will just seem totally out of touch.
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Reply #29 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:48pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
The way one term tony and his merry band of morons are going a retarded one armed midget on death row could win the next election in a landslide  Cheesy


Excuse me, Matty has not confirmed that he’ll be running in the next election.

Anyway, he’s now thinking of becoming a psychologist.

No more thoughts at this time, thanks.
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