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Dear grandchildren, I can only say sorry
Nov 22nd, 2013 at 7:14pm
 
Climate change: Dear grandchildren, I can only say sorry

November 20, 2013

Ross Gittins
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Gittins: Are we doing enough for the climate?
As the rest of the world is getting more serious about combating climate change we’re going the other way. Ross Gittins reports.


I don't have grandchildren but I'm hoping for some, someday, so this column is for them. I want you to know that although, in the mid-teens of this century, Australians elected a government that wasn't genuine in its commitment to combating the effects of climate change, and that even abolished the main instrument economists invented for that purpose, I never accepted this complacency.

Partly because that government's predecessors had done such a poor job of introducing effective measures - and even a party known as the Greens played its cards all wrong - the nation lost its resolve and allowed its original bipartisan commitment to decisive action to be lost.

The minority of people who doubted the scientists' advice that the globe was warming combined with libertarians - who, as a matter of principle, oppose almost all arguments for intervention by government - to persuade the Liberals to break with bipartisanship.
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If the Liberals under their new leader, Tony Abbott, had opposed action against climate change outright, Liberal voters who accepted the need for action would have been forced to choose between the party and their beliefs.
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Instead, Abbott focused his opposition on the Labor government's main instrument for gradually bringing about a reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses, an emissions trading scheme whose price would be fixed by the government for the first year or two.

Abbott insisted the Coalition remained committed to Australia's international undertaking to reduce emissions by at least 5 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020, and by 15 per cent or 25 per cent provided other countries were taking comparable action.

The big difference was that, rather than using Labor's ''carbon tax'' to achieve the target, the Coalition would rely on ''direct action'', such as offering monetary incentives to farmers and others to reduce emissions.

This left Abbott free to run an almighty scare campaign about how Labor's ''great big new tax on everything'' would greatly increase the cost of living for ordinary Australian families and impose big costs on Australian businesses, which would impair their ability to compete.

Abbott associated with outright climate-change deniers and said things that seemed to brand him as one of them, while always adding, sotto voce, that he accepted human-caused climate change and the need to do something about it.

Apart from attracting voters away from Labor and its frightening carbon tax, the result of making climate change an issue of party dispute was to give Liberal supporters a licence to stop worrying about climate change - if the leaders of my party aren't worrying, why should I? - while providing a fig leaf for those Liberals who retained their concern.

The business lobby groups' initial position had been: if it's inevitable we do something, let's get on with it and make future arrangements as certain as possible. But with their side of politics inviting them to put their short-term interests ahead of the economy's long-term health, most business people found it too tempting to resist.

To be fair, some businesses stuck with their schemes to reduce their own emissions and some pressed on with repositioning their business for a world where the use of fossil fuels had become prohibitively expensive as well as socially disapproved of.

You will find this hard to believe, but in the mid-teens, it was still common to think about ''the economy'' in isolation from the natural environment which sustained it. Economists, business people and politicians had gone for two centuries largely ignoring the damage economic activity did to the environment.

The idea that, eventually, the environment would hit back and do great damage to the economy was one most people preferred not to think about. At the time, it was fashionable to bewail the lack of action to increase the economy's productivity. Few people joined dots to realise the climate was in the process of dealing a blow to our productivity, one that would significantly reduce the next generation's living standards.

At the time, we rationalised our selfishness - our willingness to avoid a tiny drop in our standard of living at the expense of a big drop in our offspring's - by telling ourselves half-truths and untruths about the global nature of climate change.

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[... continued]

We told ourselves there was nothing Australia could do by itself to affect climate change (true), that at the Copenhagen conference in 2009, countries had failed to reach a binding agreement on action to reduce emissions (true) and that the world's two biggest polluters, China and the US, were doing nothing much to reduce their emissions.

We had no excuse for not knowing this was untrue because successive government reports told us the contrary. One we got just before the carbon tax was abolished, from the Climate Change Authority, said the two superpowers were stepping up their actions to reduce emissions. ''These measures could have a significant impact on global emissions reductions,'' it concluded.

I recount this history to explain how my generation's dereliction occurred, not to defend or justify it. We knew what we should have done; we chose not to do it. I never fell for any of these spurious arguments.

Did I ever doubt that climate change represented by far the greatest threat to Australia's future economic prosperity? Never. Should I have said this more often, rather than chasing a thousand economic will-o'-the-wisps? Yes.
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Reply #2 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm
 
If Tim Flannery is right in his "1,000 years", it isn't our grandchildren. In 1,000 years what are the odds of the world still surviving?
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Reply #3 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:52pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
If Tim Flannery is right in his "1,000 years", it isn't our grandchildren. In 1,000 years what are the odds of the world still surviving?
It depends how foolish we are, how bad the consequences and how long it takes to bite. Quote:
... We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with  a temperature of 250 degrees C ...
That's a worst case scenario, so nobody's saying it's inevitable or even probable. Do we really want to find out?
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Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 8:04pm
 
# wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:52pm:
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
If Tim Flannery is right in his "1,000 years", it isn't our grandchildren. In 1,000 years what are the odds of the world still surviving?
It depends how foolish we are, how bad the consequences and how long it takes to bite. Quote:
... We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with  a temperature of 250 degrees C ...
That's a worst case scenario, so nobody's saying it's inevitable or even probable. Do we really want to find out?


Clearly # you have never been introduced to reality.  Your credibility is lower than Flim Flams.
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Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:52pm
 
I'm trying to get my head around that.

Venus is without water. On Earth CO2 is going to melt all the ice, so that it is in the sea. Somehow the sea is going to boil dry and leave us without water?
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Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 3:00am
 
Rider wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 8:04pm:
# wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:52pm:
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
If Tim Flannery is right in his "1,000 years", it isn't our grandchildren. In 1,000 years what are the odds of the world still surviving?
It depends how foolish we are, how bad the consequences and how long it takes to bite. Quote:
... We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with  a temperature of 250 degrees C ...
That's a worst case scenario, so nobody's saying it's inevitable or even probable. Do we really want to find out?


Clearly # you have never been introduced to reality.  Your credibility is lower than Flim Flams.


...and you proudly parade as a AGW denialist in this thread.
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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 3:04am
 
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:52pm:
I'm trying to get my head around that.

Venus is without water. ?


...and yet Venus is the hottest planet in the solar system - even hotter than mercury, even though mercury is the closest planet to the sun

Oh by the way lee, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere of Venus is about 98%. (that's ~980,000 ppmv)

HEY LEE, ya freak clown maggot, Has it clicked yet as to why venus is hotter than mercury?
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Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:25am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 3:00am:
Rider wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 8:04pm:
# wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 7:52pm:
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
If Tim Flannery is right in his "1,000 years", it isn't our grandchildren. In 1,000 years what are the odds of the world still surviving?
It depends how foolish we are, how bad the consequences and how long it takes to bite. Quote:
... We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with  a temperature of 250 degrees C ...
That's a worst case scenario, so nobody's saying it's inevitable or even probable. Do we really want to find out?


Clearly # you have never been introduced to reality.  Your credibility is lower than Flim Flams.


...and you proudly parade as a AGW denialist in this thread.


oh Chump, irrelevant petulant child. I'd like to excuse you as simply a product of our wonderful public schooling system, but if truth be known you probably had the privilege of private schooling and university and a pampering rich mummy and daddy (who you now hate cause they are bourgeois capitalists) .... just goes to show doesn't it... Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:42am
 
I can't apologise for what you imagine <rubs nose><looks down nose><sniffs it off whilst continuing to dog-ball eye imaginary society>
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:14am
 
Rider wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:25am:
oh Chump, irrelevant petulant child. I'd like to excuse you as simply a product of our wonderful public schooling system, but if truth be known you probably had the privilege of private schooling and university and a pampering rich mummy and daddy (who you now hate cause they are bourgeois capitalists) .... just goes to show doesn't it... Grin Grin Grin



Are you referring to Universities as well you smelly deranged fascist freak?

I wonder how many of them ARENT part of the public education system?

Perhaps you went to the Bond University that set up on the gold coast some years ago you filthy maggotted weasel rodent carcass

Rider the official silver medallist freak fascist of Ozpolitic.

You must be very proud of your achievements in this forum with your pathetic 882 irrelevant and smelly posts you putrid slab of de-crystalised skunk urine paste
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:32am
 
Constantly challenge the centre: where is the war effort?

The appollo program, the abc just said, was spending up to 5% of gdp.... they also said he dreamed of mars!
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:35am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:14am:
Rider wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:25am:
oh Chump, irrelevant petulant child. I'd like to excuse you as simply a product of our wonderful public schooling system, but if truth be known you probably had the privilege of private schooling and university and a pampering rich mummy and daddy (who you now hate cause they are bourgeois capitalists) .... just goes to show doesn't it... Grin Grin Grin



Are you referring to Universities as well you smelly deranged fascist freak?

I wonder how many of them ARENT part of the public education system?

Perhaps you went to the Bond University that set up on the gold coast some years ago you filthy maggotted weasel rodent carcass

Rider the official silver medallist freak fascist of Ozpolitic.

You must be very proud of your achievements in this forum with your pathetic 882 irrelevant and smelly posts you putrid slab of de-crystalised skunk urine paste


Please stop constantly abusing.
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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 9:38am
 
The USA spends more on its military imperialist fascist system than the rest of the world's countries combined.

About 3/4 of all military hardware sales in the world are controlled by the USA.

Its economy depends on war and insecurity

But you know what they say het folks?

The clam rots from within (or something like that - sounds about right anyway - it will do for now)
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