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De-registered User Gold Member Offline Posts: 1029	Re: Depression vs God Reply #15 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:33am Ive seen and heard of many depressed souls seeking peace and happiness with god. Ive seen and heard of many more depressed souls whilst under the wing of god.
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Reply #16 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:14pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Which comes first, the chemical imbalance or miserable circumstances? Meaning, does the chemical imbalance cause misery, or does misery cause the imbalance?

Speaking with some personal experience (I was on some medication that regulates serotonin, known as SSI treatment), for me it was circumstance that first led to depression. however, it became a vicious cycle before too long. The medication (obviously) didn't make nice things happen, but it did mean that the bad things that happened were not quite so crushing in their impact on me.

I don't take them anymore, but they were helpful when I felt like the smallest little divit was a gaping hole in the ground.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #17 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

I think depression can be caused by a lack of faith - a lack of direction in life. I define faith as an exhortation to do better - to learn from our mistakes and to look at life in a positive light. That's what faith is about whether you belong to a traditional religion or not, and it's a positive thing.

I also find that getting closer to nature can also be an antidote to feelings of depression. This includes things like sailing on a tranquil lake surrounded by mountains or spending a night in a calm outback setting. This reminds us of our unity with natural processes, that some call God.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Depression vs God Reply #18 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:45pm Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:11pm: Which comes first, the chemical imbalance or miserable circumstances? Meaning, does the chemical imbalance cause misery, or does misery cause the imbalance? The (in some cases habitual) dysfunctional attitude to life causes misery, which causes the chemical imbalances.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Depression vs God Reply #19 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 1:18am Depression cant be fought. JUST LIVE!
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Depression vs God Reply #20 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:40am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 1:18am: Depression cant be fought. JUST LIVE! I know you mean well, but comments like that are not usually helpful. Instead, encourage them to socialise, exercise regularly and take their medication. Remember, this is partly a psychological issue, and partly a biological one.
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Reply #21 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:18am

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:40am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 1:18am:

Depression cant be fought. JUST LIVE!

I know you mean well, but comments like that are not usually helpful. Instead, encourage them to socialise, exercise regularly and take their medication. Remember, this is partly a psychological issue, and partly a biological one.

Fair enough encouragement! The pills are no good but,... especially if you've got idiot parents forcing you to get a label so they can get back to being functional alcoholics like the bulk of society today!

I do like the word encourage tho!

Exercise is certainly good and a problem shared is a problem halved but i think, personally lol, we are seeing a sick societal problem that emerges from too much choice and too much debt!

Life was always hard but now its just nasty for the sake of being nasty.

I'm saying society is depressed,... revolted at itself!??!

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Reply #22 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:17am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:18am:

Fair enough encouragement! The pills are no good but,... especially if you've got idiot parents forcing you to get a label

Pills can either be good or not very good, it will always depend on who is taking them and their circumstance. I also don't think kids should be on antidepressants... are you referring to things like Ritalin for ADD?

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Reply #23 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:48pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:18am:

Fair enough encouragement! The pills are no good but,... especially if you've got idiot parents forcing you to get a label

Pills can either be good or not very good, it will always depend on who is taking them and their circumstance. I also don't think kids should be on antidepressants... are you referring to things like Ritalin for ADD?

Why not? If antidepressants can prevent a suicidal child or teenager from taking their own life, why shouldn't they have access to them?

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Reply #24 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Which comes first, the chemical imbalance or miserable circumstances? Meaning, does the chemical imbalance cause misery, or does misery cause the imbalance?

The (in some cases habitual) dysfunctional attitude to life causes misery, which causes the chemical imbalances.

There's actually no scientific evidence to support the "chemical imbalance" theory.

However, I like your previous post very much: "I think depression can be caused by a lack of faith - a lack of direction in life."

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Reply #25 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:36pm

In the 1890s, there was a clinical psychological condition described as Hysteria, prevalent in certain Western nations.

People were apparently exhibiting TOO MUCH happiness and excitement etc.

Hysteria was treated as a psychological disease/condition.

Depression was seen as a psychological problem a few decades later.

I wonder if people exhibiting hysteria or extreme happiness today would be TREATED with drugs or therapy?

I suppose as long as people SPEND their money on consumable irrelevancies and don't rebel against the fascist corporate tyranny that enslaves them, then everything is fine by the powers that be.

(incidentally, the USA which makes up only 5% of the global human population, consumes about 85% of the pharmaceutical drugs that the world produces. A similar proportion for illicit drugs)

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Reply #26 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:18am:

Fair enough encouragement! The pills are no good but,... especially if you've got idiot parents forcing you to get a label

Pills can either be good or not very good, it will always depend on who is taking them and their circumstance. I also don't think kids should be on antidepressants... are you referring to things like Ritalin for ADD?

Why not? If antidepressants can prevent a suicidal child or teenager from taking their own life, why shouldn't they have access to them?

Absolutely I agree, but you have be careful, because as some mdeications begin to work, they can actually amplify your depression. I was talking more in general about parents getting their kids medication to label them as per the comment.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #27 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:06pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:

In the 1890s, there was a clinical psychological condition described as Hysteria, prevalent in certain Western nations.

People were apparently exhibiting TOO MUCH happiness and excitement etc.

Hysteria was treated as a psychological disease/condition.

Depression was seen as a psychological problem a few decades later.

I wonder if people exhibiting hysteria or extreme happiness today would be TREATED with drugs or therapy?

I suppose as long as people SPEND their money on consumable irrelevancies and don't rebel against the fascist corporate tyranny that enslaves them, then everything is fine by the powers that be.

(incidentally, the USA which makes up only 5% of the global human population, consumes about 85% of the pharmaceutical drugs that the world produces. A similar proportion for illicit drugs)

I like some of this guy's stuff:

http://www.psmag.com/health/should-we-dump-the-dsm-57015/

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6948448-manufacturing-depression

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Depression vs God Reply #28 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:08pm Australia was consistently the number 1 nation for youth suicides in the world until the last few years when New Zealand took over that disgraceful honour. Australia, the lucky country
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Depression vs God Reply #29 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:56pm: There's actually no scientific evidence to support the "chemical imbalance" theory. There is. I'll expand on that later.
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