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Reply #1815 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:29pm  
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
But with FTTH there is no $29.95 a month line rental and call costs will also be less. FTTH ends up costing the same or a bit less than ADSL + line rental + call costs.

And never forget the increase in UPload speed and what that makes possible.

Pardon?
Really?
You got that in writing somewhere?
I'm sorry but have you got the official billing plan for all access in your back pocket or what?

We have been over this. Plenty of NBN plans available to search.
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Reply #1816 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:32pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:14pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:42pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
But with FTTH there is no $29.95 a month line rental and call costs will also be less. FTTH ends up costing the same or a bit less than ADSL + line rental + call costs.

And never forget the increase in UPload speed and what that makes possible.


To be honest, if was connected to fibre and still had to pay my $30/month connection charge - thats fine.  Always happy to pay for a more reliable service.


actually you aren't at all.  you are happy to have access to a network paid for by taxpayers - not you.

what if your FTTH that you so want made internet fees DOUBLE what they are now.  Still be happy?  Most analyses of the NBNs pricing promises say they cannot possibly make money anywhere need the prices they are charging and this is not helped by the FACT it was going to cost double what originally estimated.

Oh stop lying, idiot! Google a few NBN plans that are out there!

With the pricing structure heavy users—business, gamers etc—would have subsidised ordinary users and rural areas.
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Reply #1817 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:35pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
[quote author=Cliff48 link=1379382456/1797#1797 date=1398666932]Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call  ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'.  Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time.  At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days.  When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.


Quote:
the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate.


It also doesnt allow you to refute/deny the claims of the stories of many.   (Do you ever read forums.whirlpool?)

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I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing.  it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line. 


Of course fibre will break down too.  But current estimates is that fibre and copper at the same cost - copper life 30 yrs ... fibre life 50 yrs

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But Telstra is a crap company.  They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem.  But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.


But you accept they are a crap company and wish to build a broadband network or their poorly supported infrastructure


I am simply averse to paying $90B for a network we don't need instead of a $26B one that will work and be delivered in our actual lifetimes. It's called living within your means.

The $90Bn one is FTTN! FTTH could cost as little as $26Bn with the improved pit & pipe remediation technology! FTTN for $26Bn be buggered—the Strategic Review put the cost of Macolm’s Terrible Muddle at $43Bn before buying, auditing and remediating the copper.

Where's the cuckoo emoticon.

For starters Monkey Boy from the very beginning the Telstra underground should have been a no brainer... the fact you keep telling me it wasn't show how stupid the planners of this project were/are.
The fact you think it will make the costs 1/4 of what the realistic estimates are beggars belief.
Start posting some real facts and figures and not stuff you are pulling out of....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1818 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
[quote author=Cliff48 link=1379382456/1797#1797 date=1398666932]Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call  ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'.  Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time.  At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days.  When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.


Quote:
the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate.


It also doesnt allow you to refute/deny the claims of the stories of many.   (Do you ever read forums.whirlpool?)

Quote:
I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing.  it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line. 


Of course fibre will break down too.  But current estimates is that fibre and copper at the same cost - copper life 30 yrs ... fibre life 50 yrs

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But Telstra is a crap company.  They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem.  But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.


But you accept they are a crap company and wish to build a broadband network or their poorly supported infrastructure


I am simply averse to paying $90B for a network we don't need instead of a $26B one that will work and be delivered in our actual lifetimes. It's called living within your means.

The $90Bn one is FTTN! FTTH could cost as little as $26Bn with the improved pit & pipe remediation technology! FTTN for $26Bn be buggered—the Strategic Review put the cost of Macolm’s Terrible Muddle at $43Bn before buying, auditing and remediating the copper.


yeah that makes perfect sense to a clown like you.  Rudds original vision can now be had for just over HALF the original estimate while one that takes out half the work is twice as much???

idiot.
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Reply #1819 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:29pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
But with FTTH there is no $29.95 a month line rental and call costs will also be less. FTTH ends up costing the same or a bit less than ADSL + line rental + call costs.

And never forget the increase in UPload speed and what that makes possible.

Pardon?
Really?
You got that in writing somewhere?
I'm sorry but have you got the official billing plan for all access in your back pocket or what?

We have been over this. Plenty of NBN plans available to search.

Yes we have and we all told you you were in lala land.
you still are  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1820 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:48pm  
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:35pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
[quote author=Cliff48 link=1379382456/1797#1797 date=1398666932]Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call  ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'.  Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time.  At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days.  When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.


Quote:
the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate.


It also doesnt allow you to refute/deny the claims of the stories of many.   (Do you ever read forums.whirlpool?)

Quote:
I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing.  it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line. 


Of course fibre will break down too.  But current estimates is that fibre and copper at the same cost - copper life 30 yrs ... fibre life 50 yrs

Quote:
But Telstra is a crap company.  They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem.  But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.


But you accept they are a crap company and wish to build a broadband network or their poorly supported infrastructure


I am simply averse to paying $90B for a network we don't need instead of a $26B one that will work and be delivered in our actual lifetimes. It's called living within your means.

The $90Bn one is FTTN! FTTH could cost as little as $26Bn with the improved pit & pipe remediation technology! FTTN for $26Bn be buggered—the Strategic Review put the cost of Macolm’s Terrible Muddle at $43Bn before buying, auditing and remediating the copper.

Where's the cuckoo emoticon.

For starters Monkey Boy from the very beginning the Telstra underground should have been a no brainer... the fact you keep telling me it wasn't show how stupid the planners of this project were/are.
The fact you think it will make the costs 1/4 of what the realistic estimates are beggars belief.
Start posting some real facts and figures and not stuff you are pulling out of....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

No, the vacuum technology was developed late in the piece, in WA. Just read the Hansard extracts I posted.
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Reply #1821 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:59pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
[quote author=Cliff48 link=1379382456/1797#1797 date=1398666932]Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call  ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'.  Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time.  At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days.  When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.


Quote:
the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate.


It also doesnt allow you to refute/deny the claims of the stories of many.   (Do you ever read forums.whirlpool?)

Quote:
I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing.  it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line. 


Of course fibre will break down too.  But current estimates is that fibre and copper at the same cost - copper life 30 yrs ... fibre life 50 yrs

Quote:
But Telstra is a crap company.  They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem.  But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.


But you accept they are a crap company and wish to build a broadband network or their poorly supported infrastructure


I am simply averse to paying $90B for a network we don't need instead of a $26B one that will work and be delivered in our actual lifetimes. It's called living within your means.

The $90Bn one is FTTN! FTTH could cost as little as $26Bn with the improved pit & pipe remediation technology! FTTN for $26Bn be buggered—the Strategic Review put the cost of Macolm’s Terrible Muddle at $43Bn before buying, auditing and remediating the copper.


yeah that makes perfect sense to a clown like you.  Rudds original vision can now be had for just over HALF the original estimate while one that takes out half the work is twice as much???

idiot.

Elementary, my dear simpleton. With Malcolm’s Terrible Muddle the copper, and the HFC crap, has to be bought. Telstra and Optus will want a LOT of money. I estimate $30Bn for the copper, certainly $30Bn for copper+HFC.

Malcolm has made a terrible mess, the taxpayers are up for well over $100Bn with nothing much to show for it.
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Reply #1822 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:00pm  
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:29pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
But with FTTH there is no $29.95 a month line rental and call costs will also be less. FTTH ends up costing the same or a bit less than ADSL + line rental + call costs.

And never forget the increase in UPload speed and what that makes possible.

Pardon?
Really?
You got that in writing somewhere?
I'm sorry but have you got the official billing plan for all access in your back pocket or what?

We have been over this. Plenty of NBN plans available to search.

Yes we have and we all told you you were in lala land.
you still are  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I am in lalaland but it is you claiming a $29.95 line rental fee you obviously can’t find  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1823 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:03pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:29pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
But with FTTH there is no $29.95 a month line rental and call costs will also be less. FTTH ends up costing the same or a bit less than ADSL + line rental + call costs.

And never forget the increase in UPload speed and what that makes possible.

Pardon?
Really?
You got that in writing somewhere?
I'm sorry but have you got the official billing plan for all access in your back pocket or what?

We have been over this. Plenty of NBN plans available to search.

Yes we have and we all told you you were in lala land.
you still are  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I am in lalaland but it is you claiming a $29.95 line rental fee you obviously can’t find  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I'm sorry...  who is tossing around unsubstantiated figures pulled out of his proverbial?
Not me.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
What exactly is it you are trying to say monk?
That we will not have to pay anything for the fibre Network access to it or its use?  Is that what you are saying?
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Reply #1824 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:07pm  
roach chittered:
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I'm sorry...  who is tossing around unsubstantiated figure pulled out of his proverbial?
Not me.


You are—the $29.95 monthly line rental fee you keep crapping on about but can’t find but keep crapping on about. NBN plans show you don’t pay more than you do for ADSL but get much more—more bandwidth, more UPload speed, much more reliability.
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Reply #1825 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:28pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:07pm:
roach chittered:
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I'm sorry...  who is tossing around unsubstantiated figure pulled out of his proverbial?
Not me.


You are—the $29.95 monthly line rental fee you keep crapping on about

not me YOU brought it up
you are making the claim
I simply asked some questions.


but can’t find but keep crapping on about.

see above.


NBN plans show you don’t pay more than you do for ADSL but get much more—more bandwidth, more UPload speed, much more reliability.

Sorry cheapest one I can find is $49.95 just for starters.  I was paying $29.95 for wireless.




Now stop lying.
While we are at it apologise for lying about me continually on public webstes.
Answer the IT Tech question I asked you weeks ago.

Oh and now you can answer the rest of my questions as well.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #1826 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:34pm  
Good old wireless, every time there are a couple clouds in the sky you need to reboot the modem multiple times.
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Reply #1827 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:37pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
[quote author=Cliff48 link=1379382456/1797#1797 date=1398666932]Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call  ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'.  Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time.  At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days.  When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.


Quote:
the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate.


It also doesnt allow you to refute/deny the claims of the stories of many.   (Do you ever read forums.whirlpool?)

Quote:
I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing.  it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line. 


Of course fibre will break down too.  But current estimates is that fibre and copper at the same cost - copper life 30 yrs ... fibre life 50 yrs

Quote:
But Telstra is a crap company.  They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem.  But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.


But you accept they are a crap company and wish to build a broadband network or their poorly supported infrastructure


I am simply averse to paying $90B for a network we don't need instead of a $26B one that will work and be delivered in our actual lifetimes. It's called living within your means.

The $90Bn one is FTTN! FTTH could cost as little as $26Bn with the improved pit & pipe remediation technology! FTTN for $26Bn be buggered—the Strategic Review put the cost of Macolm’s Terrible Muddle at $43Bn before buying, auditing and remediating the copper.


yeah that makes perfect sense to a clown like you.  Rudds original vision can now be had for just over HALF the original estimate while one that takes out half the work is twice as much???

idiot.

Elementary, my dear simpleton. With Malcolm’s Terrible Muddle the copper, and the HFC crap, has to be bought. Telstra and Optus will want a LOT of money. I estimate $30Bn for the copper, certainly $30Bn for copper+HFC.

Malcolm has made a terrible mess, the taxpayers are up for well over $100Bn with nothing much to show for it.


so now it is over $100B???  keep going.  in a few months you are destined to hit a trillion dollars.

you just make this pitiful nonsense up and discredit your credibility with every post.  I most disagree with mozza and cliff but neither of them simply make stuff up like you do.
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Reply #1828 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:47pm  
I made it $91Bn for FTTH, nearly half of which is the $41Bn of the Strategic Review. That figure does not include the cost of buying, auditing and remediating the copper, does not include the cost of buying, remediating, expanding and upgrading the HFC crap.

With remediation the cost of just FTTN will easily exceed $100Bn, then the cost of the HFC rubbish.

All quite logical. Even reducing the cost of buying and auditing the copper doesn’t help much as remediation will be huge. And it will be huge—just read the extracts of Hansard I posted in this thread.

Christ on crutches, you or the other idiot posted the Tel$tra CEO crapping on about how good the copper is, ready for FTTN! Does that not ring a tiny alarm bell, that Tel$tra is going to gouge and gouge the taxpayer for the copper? Jesus Christ, are you two really so stupid?
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Reply #1829 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:52pm  
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
Good old wireless, every time there are a couple clouds in the sky you need to reboot the modem multiple times.


another lie.  you sound like a 15yo with nothing to do an no appreciable experience of anything.
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