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Reply #1785 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:02am

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

The copper [CAN] is rotten—a corroded mess with way too many premises without even one sound pair coming in. Maintenance has been neglected far too long, few actually get the speeds they should get. My ADSL2+ gets about 20 down, .9 up, too little UPload bandwidth for a lot of things, the download becoming inadequate rapidly.

Countries where FTTN is tried—the incumbent telco owns the copper and has looked after it. Apart from Germany FTTN rollouts run into problems and get changed to FTTH. Then Lib fanbois think you can do FTTN here. Lunacy.

you get 20/0.9 and you are COMPLAINING????

ADSL has a max of 24/1.0

you really are a whining greedy complainer

Thanks for proving the copper is rotten.

hardly, you dim-witted clown. if you can get 90% of the theoretical maximum the copper is obviously exceedingly good. a dumb person could work that out.

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Reply #1788 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:12am

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

My copper is average, most on ADSL2 get more like 5mbps down and a lot less than .9 up. Just look at Whirlpool.

Running at 5/6th the maximum speed means my copper is average—in other countries. Here you say it is good.

The copper CAN is crap and running FTTN over it is lunacy.

and you claim IT expertise...

the performance of ADSL is dependant on the distance from the exchange, You are clearly close. that is all. the copper is performing perfectly for you.

I get 8 down. I am a long way from an exchange. I also manage to do everything I want very easily and my connection is rock-solid.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #1789 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:16am The exchange is not that close and crap speeds are not always due to distance from the exchange. The copper is crap, running FTTN over it is lunacy. $91Bn + remediation is what FTTN will cost. And remediation will be a beauty if they were really dinkum about it.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #1790 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:17am Tony “I’m no tech head, Kerry” Abbott talked of 10-20,000 nodes. Waaaayyyyyyyy too few.
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Reply #1791 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:23am

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

The exchange is not that close and crap speeds are not always due to distance from the exchange.

The copper is crap, running FTTN over it is lunacy.

$91Bn + remediation is what FTTN will cost. And remediation will be a beauty if they were really dinkum about it.

if you are not close and yet getting 90% of the theoretical maximum then your copper bust be in absolutely pristine condition. No other explanation is possible.

it is rather funny watching you complain about rotten copper while having perfect copper yourself.

talk about an epic fail!!!!

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Reply #1793 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am

If I have perfect copper I should be able to do better.

But most people, even close to an exchange get MUCH WORSE speeds than I do. I am aware my speed is considered good in this country.

I have seen figures that the insufficient numbers of nodes, were FTTN be rolled out, would see distances of 1.2Km from nodes—at half that distance VDSL2 basically gives ADSL speeds. Without rememdiating the copper FTTN would just add contention to all the woes of the woeful copper.

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Reply #1794 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:31am

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

If I have perfect copper I should be able to do better.

But most people, even close to an exchange get MUCH WORSE speeds than I do. I am aware my speed is considered good in this country.

I have seen figures that the insufficient numbers of nodes, were FTTN be rolled out, would see distances of 1.2Km from nodes—at half that distance VDSL2 basically gives ADSL speeds. Without rememdiating the copper FTTN would just add contention to all the woes of the woeful copper.

I know the concept might be difficult for you but 'theoretical maximum' means you CANNOT get better than that. I have little but contempt for your supposed technical expertise but surely even a fool can work out that you can go past the maximum!

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Reply #1795 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:58am

Who said going past the theoretical maximum?

What about all those on ADSL2x on 5 or 8mbps? Plenty of those out there. Running FTTN over their copper still means all the problems of the copper are there, plus crosstalk plus contention. Do you think someone will be deliriously happy to go from 5 to 6mbps yet still has no service after rain? Upload still much the (inadequate) same? All this for $91Bn + remediation?

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Reply #1796 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

Who said going past the theoretical maximum?

What about all those on ADSL2x on 5 or 8mbps? Plenty of those out there. Running FTTN over their copper still means all the problems of the copper are there, plus crosstalk plus contention. Do you think someone will be deliriously happy to go from 5 to 6mbps yet still has no service after rain? Upload still much the (inadequate) same? All this for $91Bn + remediation?

you have destroyed your technical credibility time and time again in the past but this is a beauty. you are getting 90% of the theoretical maximum some distance from an exchange and you want to say the copper is crap??? this is as good as it gets.

your technical ability is crap. Like everything else like your ever growing priced for FTTN you just MAKE IT ALL UP.

I don't mind debating with opponents but you really are quite stupid.

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Reply #1797 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:35pm

Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'. Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time. At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days. When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.

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Reply #1798 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:47pm

Cliff48 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

Until there is an audit of the state of the copper in the network we can only go by the stories around us and our own experiences.

In my case, when it rains I am lucky to be able to make a phone call ... its like calling Kellogs and just getting 'Snap Crackle Pop'. Maintaining an internet connection for more 5 minutes is impossible.

Calling Telstra is a waste of time. At the time of the problem they receive so many calls they cant schedule a technician for days. When the techo eventually arrives the rain has long since stopped, the pits have dried out and he informs me that there is no problem with my connection.

To add insult to injury, the techo informs me that if I report the problem again I will be charged for a 'false call out' - around $300.

the absence of an audit doesn't automatically grant credence to your stories or allow you to extrapolate. I am sure you have a problem. I am equally sure I don't and no one I know does either. Yes, there is a maintenance problem apparently but your belief that fibre will fix all that is amusing. it will break down too as will all the equipment along that line.

But Telstra is a crap company. They once tried to disconnect my phone because I paid the account by cheque and they said they took 14 days to process a cheque. their incompetence is not my problem. But likewise I don't believe Telstra takes 14 days to process EVERYONES payment.

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Reply #1799 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

ian wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Grendel wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

ian wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Link or you're a liar.

there no way I would guess you are gwendels sock puppet. We'll done Roll Eyes

Wassup Ian... still holding a grudge.
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about what exactly?

ian ian ian.... you are being so disingenuous now... first ad hom then editing my replies...
to things you didn't need to mention me in at all... what am i to think... Grin

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