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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2415 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
WHY have a niqab and a hijab in the West? You ignore the heart of the question - purpose and motivation. You can be a perfectly good, progressive Muslim, according to Dr Bwian, without treating women as chattel. But you disagree and try to feed us  the 'completely innocuous piece of cloth' nonsense. Why do they insist on it if it is 'completely innocuous' - even though it is evidently not. It is worn in the West for no other reason BUT to signal apartness, contempt and disdain. In that purpose it is nothing BUT entirely nocuous/noxious contempt towards Western society. That is the ONLY reason for wearing it in the West. At best it is a fearful signal of obedience to the fascist, jihadi males you have in such large numbers among you, 'progressive Muslims'.  You, the Che of Muslims are no different to theem in Muslim doctrine. You believe precisely the same Koran, the same 'life and times of Mohammed' bilge as they do.Insisting on a mini skirt in an observant Muslim place would be the precise equivalent but you would not refer to that as an 'innocuous piece of cloth'. Wet t-shirt competition in Mecca nothing but comparing innocuous pieces of cloth?  You want special treatment on account to being Muslims.  Well, you have that in Muslim countries where you treat non-Muslims as kuffar. Do not bring that attitude and special bleating here.


Frank your arguments here are not entirely unreasonable, or irrational - that is until we remind ourselves it comes with a "therefore we must ban it" non-sequitur.


You are inventing entirely bogus shite, carpet seller.  Check yourself.

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Reply #2416 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:43pm
 
Arab or Hispanic, legal or illegal, in North America or in Europe, the last 45 years have marked the emergence of a new kind of immigrant. He isn’t new to history, but he’s quite unlike the customary refugee, exile, asylum-seeker, settler or pioneer.

The new immigrant demands an unearned share of the security and wealth of the developed countries. The new immigrant is an invader.

The invader-immigrant appears in times of fundamental population shifts, the great migrations of history. Such migrations occur from time to time. They did, for instance, between the 3rd and the 5th centuries. Just as the invader-migrants of other historic periods could be of any tribe — Hun, Gepid, Lombard, Avar, to name a few — the invader-migrants of our times may be Asian, Levantine or Caucasian. They may be Muslim, Sihk, Christian or anything else. Invasion as a concept isn’t race- or religion-specific, though it’s usually tied to specific groups and cultures at specific points in time.

With more Syrians en route, Sweden struggles to maintain identity as country where refugees are welcome
Whatever their background, the new kind of immigrant doesn’t simply compete with the host population for economic opportunity and space (which can be shared) but for identity, which cannot. Immigrants can and do create jobs, but can’t create identities for the host population, only compete for the existing identity of a nation.

This makes certain “small” matters, often dismissed as merely symbolic — permitting turbans on construction sites, say, or ceremonial daggers in schools — actually more important than ostensibly hard-nosed economic issues. A flag — a piece of fabric on a stick — is just a symbol, but a demonstration in America conducted under an American flag is materially different from one conducted under the flag of Mexico. The first is a country trying to share a problem; the second, a problem trying to share a country.


In 1989, 12,000 East German refugees managed to get into Hungary as “tourists,” through what was then communist Czechoslovakia. The reform-communist government of Hungary, after some hesitation, allowed them to escape to what was then West Germany. It was a fine gesture. Still, as I wrote at the time, while 12,000 East Germans could escape to the West, the whole of East Germany couldn’t transfer to West Germany. It simply couldn’t be done.

Emigration is never a solution. A few thousand or maybe even a few million Muslim refugees can be accommodated in Europe, Canada or in the United States. But ultimately, the whole of the Middle East cannot come to the West. It doesn’t matter whether refugees are “political,” “economic” or a mixture of both. It doesn’t matter whether they’re fleeing communism, theocracy or poverty. It doesn’t matter whether they’re escaping Marxist dictators, tin-pot generals, ayatollahs or ISIL.

It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility
The whole of the miserable, mismanaged, tyrannized and overpopulated world cannot transfer to a handful of civilized and prosperous countries in Western Europe or North America. It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility.

Accepting refugees for humanitarian reasons is a Band-Aid solution — it’s fine, just as Band-Aids are fine. But only a charlatan would offer a Band-Aid as a substitute for open-heart surgery.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/george-jonas-our-band-aid-solution-to-the-refuge...
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Reply #2417 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Bollocks.

What does the niqab signify? What is resisted about it? What Western sensibilities and values does it offend, and yet is insisted on by Muslims?

Don't  pretend to be a Bwian.



By crikey Frank, you accuse everyone you debate with with sliminess, but you really are the slimiest of them all. Problem is you are not very good at it.

Firstly, 'niqab' is not a synonym for 'hijab'. You know very well the difference between the two, and its like day and night. One is a completely innocuous and not the least bit confronting piece of head dress, the other is a complete head and body and face covering.

So why use the word interchangeably?? Don't try and be slimey Frank, I was talking about the hijab and you know it. Not once did I mention the niqab.

So try and be honest here Frank - don't compare the KKK hood or SS helmet with the most confronting item of Islamic dress you can think of when it is not even brought up - you have to stick to the topic. And the topic is to explain how an innocuous scarf that is worn on women's heads, is as confronting, as offensive and as intimidating as a KKK hood or SS helmet - clothing that are never worn outside the specific context of wanting to kill, hurt or intimidate people.

I believe your argument was going to go something like 'a piece of cloth on someone's head is the most offensive and threatening choice of clothing, and exactly equivalent of racist thugs marching around in KKK cloaks and SS helmets - because clearly women in hijabs wear that clothing for the sole reason of wanting to intimidate and undermine our freedoms'. That was the gist of it right? But please, allow yourself to expand on it properly. Please don't let your own strawmen and irrelevant rants distract you from saying something actually on point here. 


Good Muslim boy, selling counterfeit carpet in the suk.

WHY have a niqab and a hijab in the West? You ignore the heart of the question - purpose and motivation. You can be a perfectly good, progressive Muslim, according to Dr Bwian, without treating women as chattel. But you disagree and try to feed us  the 'completely innocuous piece of cloth' nonsense.

Why do they insist on it if it is 'completely innocuous' - even though it is evidently not. It is worn in the West for no other reason BUT to signal apartness, contempt and disdain. In that purpose it is nothing BUT entirely nocuous/noxious contempt towards Western society. That is the ONLY reason for wearing it in the West. At best it is a fearful signal of obedience to the fascist, jihadi males you have in such large numbers among you, 'progressive Muslims'.  You, the Che of Muslims are no different to theem in Muslim doctrine. You believe precisely the same Koran, the same 'life and times of Mohammed' bilge as they do.


Insisting on a mini skirt in an observant Muslim place would be the precise equivalent but you would not refer to that as an 'innocuous piece of cloth'. Wet t-shirt competition in Mecca nothing but comparing innocuous pieces of cloth? 

You want special treatment on account to being Muslims.  Well, you have that in Muslim countries where you treat non-Muslims as kuffar. Do not bring that attitude and special bleating here.



Yes, G, do not bring your barbaric intolerance here, we won't have it.

So offensive. We're British, you know.
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2418 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Bollocks.

What does the niqab signify? What is resisted about it? What Western sensibilities and values does it offend, and yet is insisted on by Muslims?

Don't  pretend to be a Bwian.



By crikey Frank, you accuse everyone you debate with with sliminess, but you really are the slimiest of them all. Problem is you are not very good at it.

Firstly, 'niqab' is not a synonym for 'hijab'. You know very well the difference between the two, and its like day and night. One is a completely innocuous and not the least bit confronting piece of head dress, the other is a complete head and body and face covering.

So why use the word interchangeably?? Don't try and be slimey Frank, I was talking about the hijab and you know it. Not once did I mention the niqab.

So try and be honest here Frank - don't compare the KKK hood or SS helmet with the most confronting item of Islamic dress you can think of when it is not even brought up - you have to stick to the topic. And the topic is to explain how an innocuous scarf that is worn on women's heads, is as confronting, as offensive and as intimidating as a KKK hood or SS helmet - clothing that are never worn outside the specific context of wanting to kill, hurt or intimidate people.

I believe your argument was going to go something like 'a piece of cloth on someone's head is the most offensive and threatening choice of clothing, and exactly equivalent of racist thugs marching around in KKK cloaks and SS helmets - because clearly women in hijabs wear that clothing for the sole reason of wanting to intimidate and undermine our freedoms'. That was the gist of it right? But please, allow yourself to expand on it properly. Please don't let your own strawmen and irrelevant rants distract you from saying something actually on point here. 


Good Muslim boy, selling counterfeit carpet in the suk.

WHY have a niqab and a hijab in the West? You ignore the heart of the question - purpose and motivation. You can be a perfectly good, progressive Muslim, according to Dr Bwian, without treating women as chattel. But you disagree and try to feed us  the 'completely innocuous piece of cloth' nonsense.

Why do they insist on it if it is 'completely innocuous' - even though it is evidently not. It is worn in the West for no other reason BUT to signal apartness, contempt and disdain. In that purpose it is nothing BUT entirely nocuous/noxious contempt towards Western society. That is the ONLY reason for wearing it in the West. At best it is a fearful signal of obedience to the fascist, jihadi males you have in such large numbers among you, 'progressive Muslims'.  You, the Che of Muslims are no different to theem in Muslim doctrine. You believe precisely the same Koran, the same 'life and times of Mohammed' bilge as they do.


Insisting on a mini skirt in an observant Muslim place would be the precise equivalent but you would not refer to that as an 'innocuous piece of cloth'. Wet t-shirt competition in Mecca nothing but comparing innocuous pieces of cloth? 

You want special treatment on account to being Muslims.  Well, you have that in Muslim countries where you treat non-Muslims as kuffar. Do not bring that attitude and special bleating here.



Yes, G, do not bring your barbaric intolerance here, we won't have it.

So offensive. We're British, you know.



That's the caliber of your partisans, Muslims. Ten rupee give him, poor Paki. He fantasises about being Scottish, don't you know. Karnal Al Macdonald.



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Reply #2419 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Bollocks.

What does the niqab signify? What is resisted about it? What Western sensibilities and values does it offend, and yet is insisted on by Muslims?

Don't  pretend to be a Bwian.



By crikey Frank, you accuse everyone you debate with with sliminess, but you really are the slimiest of them all. Problem is you are not very good at it.

Firstly, 'niqab' is not a synonym for 'hijab'. You know very well the difference between the two, and its like day and night. One is a completely innocuous and not the least bit confronting piece of head dress, the other is a complete head and body and face covering.

So why use the word interchangeably?? Don't try and be slimey Frank, I was talking about the hijab and you know it. Not once did I mention the niqab.

So try and be honest here Frank - don't compare the KKK hood or SS helmet with the most confronting item of Islamic dress you can think of when it is not even brought up - you have to stick to the topic. And the topic is to explain how an innocuous scarf that is worn on women's heads, is as confronting, as offensive and as intimidating as a KKK hood or SS helmet - clothing that are never worn outside the specific context of wanting to kill, hurt or intimidate people.

I believe your argument was going to go something like 'a piece of cloth on someone's head is the most offensive and threatening choice of clothing, and exactly equivalent of racist thugs marching around in KKK cloaks and SS helmets - because clearly women in hijabs wear that clothing for the sole reason of wanting to intimidate and undermine our freedoms'. That was the gist of it right? But please, allow yourself to expand on it properly. Please don't let your own strawmen and irrelevant rants distract you from saying something actually on point here. 


Good Muslim boy, selling counterfeit carpet in the suk.

WHY have a niqab and a hijab in the West? You ignore the heart of the question - purpose and motivation. You can be a perfectly good, progressive Muslim, according to Dr Bwian, without treating women as chattel. But you disagree and try to feed us  the 'completely innocuous piece of cloth' nonsense.

Why do they insist on it if it is 'completely innocuous' - even though it is evidently not. It is worn in the West for no other reason BUT to signal apartness, contempt and disdain. In that purpose it is nothing BUT entirely nocuous/noxious contempt towards Western society. That is the ONLY reason for wearing it in the West. At best it is a fearful signal of obedience to the fascist, jihadi males you have in such large numbers among you, 'progressive Muslims'.  You, the Che of Muslims are no different to theem in Muslim doctrine. You believe precisely the same Koran, the same 'life and times of Mohammed' bilge as they do.


Insisting on a mini skirt in an observant Muslim place would be the precise equivalent but you would not refer to that as an 'innocuous piece of cloth'. Wet t-shirt competition in Mecca nothing but comparing innocuous pieces of cloth? 

You want special treatment on account to being Muslims.  Well, you have that in Muslim countries where you treat non-Muslims as kuffar. Do not bring that attitude and special bleating here.



Yes, G, do not bring your barbaric intolerance here, we won't have it.

So offensive. We're British, you know.



That's the caliber of your partisans, Muslims. Ten rupee give him, poor Paki. He fantasises about being Scottish, don't you know. Karnal Al Macdonald.



Sorry, dear boy, which old chap fantasises about being British?

He said he likes Danish. He's the one who said we should rip headscarves off little old ladies for being tinted.

You know, he's a jolly old liber...

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2420 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:49pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:06am:
And the topic is to explain how an innocuous scarf that is worn on women's heads, is as confronting, as offensive and as intimidating as a KKK hood or SS helmet - clothing that are never worn outside the specific context of wanting to kill, hurt or intimidate people.

I believe your argument was going to go something like 'a piece of cloth on someone's head is the most offensive and threatening choice of clothing, and exactly equivalent of racist thugs marching around in KKK cloaks and SS helmets - because clearly women in hijabs wear that clothing for the sole reason of wanting to intimidate and undermine our freedoms'. That was the gist of it right? But please, allow yourself to expand on it properly. Please don't let your own strawmen and irrelevant rants distract you from saying something actually on point here. 

Arab or Hispanic, legal or illegal, in North America or in Europe, the last 45 years have marked the emergence of a new kind of immigrant. He isn’t new to history, but he’s quite unlike the customary refugee, exile, asylum-seeker, settler or pioneer.

The new immigrant demands an unearned share of the security and wealth of the developed countries. The new immigrant is an invader.

The invader-immigrant appears in times of fundamental population shifts, the great migrations of history. Such migrations occur from time to time. They did, for instance, between the 3rd and the 5th centuries. Just as the invader-migrants of other historic periods could be of any tribe — Hun, Gepid, Lombard, Avar, to name a few — the invader-migrants of our times may be Asian, Levantine or Caucasian. They may be Muslim, Sihk, Christian or anything else. Invasion as a concept isn’t race- or religion-specific, though it’s usually tied to specific groups and cultures at specific points in time.

With more Syrians en route, Sweden struggles to maintain identity as country where refugees are welcome
Whatever their background, the new kind of immigrant doesn’t simply compete with the host population for economic opportunity and space (which can be shared) but for identity, which cannot. Immigrants can and do create jobs, but can’t create identities for the host population, only compete for the existing identity of a nation.

This makes certain “small” matters, often dismissed as merely symbolic — permitting turbans on construction sites, say, or ceremonial daggers in schools — actually more important than ostensibly hard-nosed economic issues. A flag — a piece of fabric on a stick — is just a symbol, but a demonstration in America conducted under an American flag is materially different from one conducted under the flag of Mexico. The first is a country trying to share a problem; the second, a problem trying to share a country.


In 1989, 12,000 East German refugees managed to get into Hungary as “tourists,” through what was then communist Czechoslovakia. The reform-communist government of Hungary, after some hesitation, allowed them to escape to what was then West Germany. It was a fine gesture. Still, as I wrote at the time, while 12,000 East Germans could escape to the West, the whole of East Germany couldn’t transfer to West Germany. It simply couldn’t be done.

Emigration is never a solution. A few thousand or maybe even a few million Muslim refugees can be accommodated in Europe, Canada or in the United States. But ultimately, the whole of the Middle East cannot come to the West. It doesn’t matter whether refugees are “political,” “economic” or a mixture of both. It doesn’t matter whether they’re fleeing communism, theocracy or poverty. It doesn’t matter whether they’re escaping Marxist dictators, tin-pot generals, ayatollahs or ISIL.

It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility
The whole of the miserable, mismanaged, tyrannized and overpopulated world cannot transfer to a handful of civilized and prosperous countries in Western Europe or North America. It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility.

Accepting refugees for humanitarian reasons is a Band-Aid solution — it’s fine, just as Band-Aids are fine. But only a charlatan would offer a Band-Aid as a substitute for open-heart surgery.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/george-jonas-our-band-aid-solution-to-the-refuge...
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Reply #2421 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:49pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:06am:
And the topic is to explain how an innocuous scarf that is worn on women's heads, is as confronting, as offensive and as intimidating as a KKK hood or SS helmet - clothing that are never worn outside the specific context of wanting to kill, hurt or intimidate people.

I believe your argument was going to go something like 'a piece of cloth on someone's head is the most offensive and threatening choice of clothing, and exactly equivalent of racist thugs marching around in KKK cloaks and SS helmets - because clearly women in hijabs wear that clothing for the sole reason of wanting to intimidate and undermine our freedoms'. That was the gist of it right? But please, allow yourself to expand on it properly. Please don't let your own strawmen and irrelevant rants distract you from saying something actually on point here. 

Arab or Hispanic, legal or illegal, in North America or in Europe, the last 45 years have marked the emergence of a new kind of immigrant. He isn’t new to history, but he’s quite unlike the customary refugee, exile, asylum-seeker, settler or pioneer.

The new immigrant demands an unearned share of the security and wealth of the developed countries. The new immigrant is an invader.

The invader-immigrant appears in times of fundamental population shifts, the great migrations of history. Such migrations occur from time to time. They did, for instance, between the 3rd and the 5th centuries. Just as the invader-migrants of other historic periods could be of any tribe — Hun, Gepid, Lombard, Avar, to name a few — the invader-migrants of our times may be Asian, Levantine or Caucasian. They may be Muslim, Sihk, Christian or anything else. Invasion as a concept isn’t race- or religion-specific, though it’s usually tied to specific groups and cultures at specific points in time.

With more Syrians en route, Sweden struggles to maintain identity as country where refugees are welcome
Whatever their background, the new kind of immigrant doesn’t simply compete with the host population for economic opportunity and space (which can be shared) but for identity, which cannot. Immigrants can and do create jobs, but can’t create identities for the host population, only compete for the existing identity of a nation.

This makes certain “small” matters, often dismissed as merely symbolic — permitting turbans on construction sites, say, or ceremonial daggers in schools — actually more important than ostensibly hard-nosed economic issues. A flag — a piece of fabric on a stick — is just a symbol, but a demonstration in America conducted under an American flag is materially different from one conducted under the flag of Mexico. The first is a country trying to share a problem; the second, a problem trying to share a country.


In 1989, 12,000 East German refugees managed to get into Hungary as “tourists,” through what was then communist Czechoslovakia. The reform-communist government of Hungary, after some hesitation, allowed them to escape to what was then West Germany. It was a fine gesture. Still, as I wrote at the time, while 12,000 East Germans could escape to the West, the whole of East Germany couldn’t transfer to West Germany. It simply couldn’t be done.

Emigration is never a solution. A few thousand or maybe even a few million Muslim refugees can be accommodated in Europe, Canada or in the United States. But ultimately, the whole of the Middle East cannot come to the West. It doesn’t matter whether refugees are “political,” “economic” or a mixture of both. It doesn’t matter whether they’re fleeing communism, theocracy or poverty. It doesn’t matter whether they’re escaping Marxist dictators, tin-pot generals, ayatollahs or ISIL.

It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility
The whole of the miserable, mismanaged, tyrannized and overpopulated world cannot transfer to a handful of civilized and prosperous countries in Western Europe or North America. It’s not a question of selfishness or racism. It’s just a physical impossibility.

Accepting refugees for humanitarian reasons is a Band-Aid solution — it’s fine, just as Band-Aids are fine. But only a charlatan would offer a Band-Aid as a substitute for open-heart surgery.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/george-jonas-our-band-aid-solution-to-the-refuge...


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Reply #2422 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Gandalf are you saying there is no such thing as a Nazi who does not murder or actively call for murder?


or try to intimidate people - if they are wearing their SS helmet. Ditto for the klansman strutting around in their hood outfit.



Trying to intimidate people eh? If the hood is white of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:18am:
The giveaway is that SS helmets and KKK hoods are worn exclusively by murderers and people who actively call for murder. Furthermore, they are worn specifically for the purpose of murdering and advocating murder.


You forgot to mention the "or try to intimidate people" bit. It can be difficult to get your story straight when trying to make a distinction between Muslims and Nazis eh?

What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person? Or Muslim, at least.
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Reply #2423 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person?


And what if we do FD? Did you ever notice that only one person here thinks that one of these outfits should be banned - and its not me? And yet here you are nitpicking and trolling me, and not, you know, the guy who actually wants to rip away people's freedom.

As for your "comparison", get back to me when we actually start seeing people in KKK outfits simply doing "normal person" things - in the same way that women in hijabs do "normal person" things. Living in a major cosmopolitan city, I quite literally see women in hijabs everywhere I go. Just being normal people, and not raising any eyebrows. But curiously I think I can safely say I have never once in my life seen anyone on the street with a KKK outfit just doing "normal person" things. Have you?

Its just simply not possible to see any difference between a clansman in the street in his hood and a woman walking the street in a hijab is it FD?
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Reply #2424 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Gandalf are you saying there is no such thing as a Nazi who does not murder or actively call for murder?


or try to intimidate people - if they are wearing their SS helmet. Ditto for the klansman strutting around in their hood outfit.



Trying to intimidate people eh? If the hood is white of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:18am:
The giveaway is that SS helmets and KKK hoods are worn exclusively by murderers and people who actively call for murder. Furthermore, they are worn specifically for the purpose of murdering and advocating murder.


You forgot to mention the "or try to intimidate people" bit. It can be difficult to get your story straight when trying to make a distinction between Muslims and Nazis eh?

What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person? Or Muslim, at least.


That's true, FD. KKK members who wear their hoods to go shopping can't possibly be guilty of offending decent white people everywhere.

But your Muslim -

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Reply #2425 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Gandalf are you saying there is no such thing as a Nazi who does not murder or actively call for murder?


or try to intimidate people - if they are wearing their SS helmet. Ditto for the klansman strutting around in their hood outfit.



Trying to intimidate people eh? If the hood is white of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:18am:
The giveaway is that SS helmets and KKK hoods are worn exclusively by murderers and people who actively call for murder. Furthermore, they are worn specifically for the purpose of murdering and advocating murder.


You forgot to mention the "or try to intimidate people" bit. It can be difficult to get your story straight when trying to make a distinction between Muslims and Nazis eh?

What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person? Or Muslim, at least.


That's true, FD. KKK members who wear their hoods to go shopping can't possibly be guilty of offending decent white people everywhere.

But your Muslim -

GUILTY.

Ever seen a klux member walking down the street with a hood on babe?
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Reply #2426 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:49pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person?


And what if we do FD? Did you ever notice that only one person here thinks that one of these outfits should be banned - and its not me? And yet here you are nitpicking and trolling me, and not, you know, the guy who actually wants to rip away people's freedom.

As for your "comparison", get back to me when we actually start seeing people in KKK outfits simply doing "normal person" things - in the same way that women in hijabs do "normal person" things. Living in a major cosmopolitan city, I quite literally see women in hijabs everywhere I go. Just being normal people, and not raising any eyebrows. But curiously I think I can safely say I have never once in my life seen anyone on the street with a KKK outfit just doing "normal person" things. Have you?

Its just simply not possible to see any difference between a clansman in the street in his hood and a woman walking the street in a hijab is it FD?


Of course there's a difference. The KKK person is simply doing their shopping. The Muselwoman's launching a terrorist attack.

Chalk and cheese, innit.
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Reply #2427 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Gandalf are you saying there is no such thing as a Nazi who does not murder or actively call for murder?


or try to intimidate people - if they are wearing their SS helmet. Ditto for the klansman strutting around in their hood outfit.



Trying to intimidate people eh? If the hood is white of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:18am:
The giveaway is that SS helmets and KKK hoods are worn exclusively by murderers and people who actively call for murder. Furthermore, they are worn specifically for the purpose of murdering and advocating murder.


You forgot to mention the "or try to intimidate people" bit. It can be difficult to get your story straight when trying to make a distinction between Muslims and Nazis eh?

What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person? Or Muslim, at least.


That's true, FD. KKK members who wear their hoods to go shopping can't possibly be guilty of offending decent white people everywhere.

But your Muslim -

GUILTY.

Ever seen a klux member walking down the street with a hood on babe?


No, Homo, I haven't. But that's only because they're too scared to get about in public because of the tinted races and their apologists.

If these people weren't so racist, we'd see a lot more people donning the hood.

Yet another example of our freedom being curtailed by the Muselman, I'm afraid.
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Reply #2428 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Gandalf are you saying there is no such thing as a Nazi who does not murder or actively call for murder?


or try to intimidate people - if they are wearing their SS helmet. Ditto for the klansman strutting around in their hood outfit.



Trying to intimidate people eh? If the hood is white of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:18am:
The giveaway is that SS helmets and KKK hoods are worn exclusively by murderers and people who actively call for murder. Furthermore, they are worn specifically for the purpose of murdering and advocating murder.


You forgot to mention the "or try to intimidate people" bit. It can be difficult to get your story straight when trying to make a distinction between Muslims and Nazis eh?

What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person? Or Muslim, at least.


That's true, FD. KKK members who wear their hoods to go shopping can't possibly be guilty of offending decent white people everywhere.

But your Muslim -

GUILTY.

Ever seen a klux member walking down the street with a hood on babe?


No, Homo, I haven't. But that's only because they're too scared to get about in public because of the tinted races and their apologists.

If these people weren't so racist, we'd see a lot more people donning the hood.

Yet another example of our freedom being curtailed by the Muselman, I'm afraid.

Sarcasm aside, I don't understand the whole deal about being a ninja. Ninja women are up on centre stage when in public. It goes against not wanting to be noticed. They'd be better off going el naturale. Very strange indeed.
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Reply #2429 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:41pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:34am:
freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:59am:
What if a KKK member is just down at the shops trying to buy some cornflakes for breakfast, like any other normal person?


And what if we do FD? Did you ever notice that only one person here thinks that one of these outfits should be banned - and its not me? And yet here you are nitpicking and trolling me, and not, you know, the guy who actually wants to rip away people's freedom.

As for your "comparison", get back to me when we actually start seeing people in KKK outfits simply doing "normal person" things - in the same way that women in hijabs do "normal person" things. Living in a major cosmopolitan city, I quite literally see women in hijabs everywhere I go. Just being normal people, and not raising any eyebrows. But curiously I think I can safely say I have never once in my life seen anyone on the street with a KKK outfit just doing "normal person" things. Have you?

Its just simply not possible to see any difference between a clansman in the street in his hood and a woman walking the street in a hijab is it FD?


Of course there's a difference. The KKK person is simply doing their shopping. The Muselwoman's launching a terrorist attack.

Chalk and cheese, innit.



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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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