polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

I don't  want to ban you. I want to ridicule and expose you so you wake up,  be ashamed and change.

I do not respect your beliefs. They are ridiculous and dangerous. I want to be free to expose them for what they are.  You are using freedom not found anywhere in Islam to silence the critics and exposers of Islam.

The sunlight of reason exposes the ridiculousnes of Islam. You want that antiseptic to be stifled.

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2018 at 8:20pm:


Come now Frank, you're smarter than that.

Put some effort into it, will you?

Try answering my actual question, rather than simply using every response as an excuse to segue into rant mode.

Do you see any problem in terms of protecting the values you profess to hold so dearly, by supporting a ban (yes you do) on something so broad and ambiguous as a head covering (for example)? Please refer to my signature.

Proving to me that you really can restrict your bans only to these terrible, threatening people, without threatening the freedoms of everyone outside that group - would be an acceptable answer.

Gandalf, if Muslims were a mindless collective intent on undermining our society, would it be reasonable to round them all up, inspect their genitals, and behead any found to be guilty?

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:


So given your sentiment that is encapsulated (immortalised?) in my signature, which you have subsequently reaffirmed as 'right and proper', are you saying its an acceptable price to curb the freedoms of non-muslims in order to ensure an effective banning of sinnister muslim uniforms?

And its ok to answer without inserting another irrelevant rant.

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:


That's right, old boy. Why don't any of those Muslim refugees go to Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, etc, etc, etc?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 9:34am:



I think it is perfectly right to curb the right of Muslims (and anyone else) to undermine the fundamental freedoms of the West in the name of Islam.

Absolutely. Islam is an alien, hostile creed. As are many other hostile, unfree and destructive creeds.  Islam has no universal human right to do away with universal human rights (a uniquely Western idea, rooted in Christianity.)

Islam is imposing itself by gradual coercion and pressure. It has zero chance of being openly embraced by its force of argument so it uses coercive and underhanded tactics, like deception (taqqiya), like lying about the nature of Islam ('religion of peace'), sharia and jihad, and terrorism implied and actual. 

Islam has absolutely no chance in the open and free exchange of ideas because it is nothing but Submission. It simply uses other people's decency to rob them of their freedom and force them into Submission. You are a knowing and active agent of that deception.  You cannot reason your way into Islam. You can only reason yourself OUT of it. Reason is anathema to Submission.

That is why you come up with the questions you just posted - self-reflection, self-knowledge, self-critical reflection are simply not in the Islamic consciousness. You cannot possibly be self-critical once you blindly and uncritically Submitted.

The West is all about critical self-reflection. Islam has no room for that. This is a fundamental reason for the incompatibility of the two and why Islam is invading and conquering not, ever, convincing by the force of reason. It cannot ever do this because Reason simply doesn't come into Islam BEFORE submission. Reason is only ever a mere tool for apologia and self-justification - see the history of the 'great translations' in the Islamic 'golden age'  - only interested in apologia, nothing else, certainly nothing potentially critical.

I give you one positive. Islam is keen on preserving its history and traditions while the West appears to be hell-bent on self-imposed forgetting and ignorance of its own history and what made it what it is. I can see very well why you Muslims are keen not to follow that idiotic and self-destructive streak in Western self-blame and the rush to forgetting.   But it's also in your interest to cultivate and exploit that Western stupidity and you, an agent of Islam, do this very well here every day, aided and abetted by your small coterie of fellow travellers and forgetting-merchants.

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Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 7:29pm:


Hillarious, wearing a hijab is now "undermining the fundamental freedoms of the west". Imagine if FD wasn't such a hypocrite, he'd have a field day with you and your laughable double standards. Sadly, he'd prefer to try and troll me with hillarious genital jokes.

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 7:43pm:

FOrf, Paki.