polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 9:09am:


Can we end this victimisation hysterics, please?  South America hasn't exactly been free from western political interference. Most of the people are still highly catholic in developing countries, some of the poorest in the world. And yet, you don't see people going around killing in the name of their religion.   Look at India, they aren't seeing frequent killings in the name of their religion.  Eastern Europe, the political toything of the US/Europolitics and Russia. Constant back and forth. Incredibly poor in comparison to the rest of Europe.  Incredibly religious still.  And don't go around killing in the name of their religion.

Stop making excuses. There is a reason why when it comes to extremism in Islam it generally involves a truck, a bomb, or a plane.  And it has little to do with the 'occupation'.   And a lot to do with a certain book and certain beliefs.

And no, I don't agree nor do I see the relevance.  Numbers are irrelevant when it comes to understanding the evil behind why someone kills. US Military, whether you like or not, goes to big lengths to minimise casualties.  Someone like ISIS goes to great lengths to maximise casualties.

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2017 at 11:25pm:

Rapes are occurring in India because of direct Hindu teachings? Go on.

And you do understand that finding an example of another religious teaching that encourages violence in the present day doesn't invalidate Islam doing so, right? I don't know the whole reason behind the Rohingya genocide, and it wouldn't surprise me if it had something to do with religion given the strong support for it from Buddhist monks. However, I fail to see how this invalidates anything I've said in response to gandalf's assertion that the reason for hte violence stemming from Islamic teachins is the result of socio-economic problems and the influence of 'oppressors', as opposed to a taught ideology from a certain little fictional book.

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2017 at 11:37pm:

Do you think they would try to tell us it's because of American influence in the region?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2017 at 11:19pm:


And yet it is undeniable that the US kills significantly more people - it is undeniable that the US creates signficantly more suffering.

You are confusing greater military efficiency with moral superiority. Frankly, the US doesn't have to "try" to maximise casualties to achieve their economic and political objectives. In fact mostly its counter-productive. But whatever atrocities you commit during war, it was the Americans themselves who identified, more than 70 years ago, the 'supreme crime' - the crime from which all other war crimes spawn from. And that of course is the act of aggressive war - ie invading another country without just cause. And we can see the wisdom of that logic playing out today right before our very eyes: all the atrocities and horrors that spawned from the single act of unnecessarily invading Iraq. So seriously did the WWII Allies take the idea that aggressive war was the supreme crime, that they executed 24 of Germany's top brass because of their role in enacting aggressive war. Not because of any involvement they may have had in the holocaust, or any other acts of mass murder during the war - but because they kicked the whole thing off, and made all the subsequent atrocities possible. The holocaust simply wouldn't have happened if these guys didn't help commit the crime of aggressive war.

So alevine, next time you find yourself thinking how morally superior the US government is to ISIS, just remember that they committed what they themselves described 70 years earlier as the supreme crime, and kicked off all the hell we see in Iraq and Syria today - including the rise of ISIS.

karnal wrote: reply 2190 Oct 2nd, 2017 at 3:39pm
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What are you talking about?

I asked you to explain how I use Christ as a defence of hating banning and killing muslims????

First off your use of  hating banning and killing muslims is crap on your part.

I believe in exposure & derision of the stupidity and evil in islamic culture.   

My position on the muslim problem the world faces has never changed.

Muslims have to examine the evil in their teachings and purge the doctrine which is the root casuse and motivation of all islamic atrocities.

I have always stated that I know that this also would be the death knell for islam, the qur'an is touted as infallible and unchangeable, so they can't remove the evil without destroying themselves.

So all we get are the pathetic excuses from muslims and their apologists, who prefer the status quo of death bloodshed and destruction, to addressing the root cause of all the problems(islamic doctrine is evil).

gandalf wrote Reply #2197 - Yesterday at 3:28pm

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How about acknowledging the part the grand mufti of Jerusalem played when he convinced Hitler to use the Armenian holocaust as his model?

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America is light years ahead of any muslim country, in the morality stakes

When are you going to stop playing the victim card gandalf?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2017 at 3:28pm:



What was the "just cause" of the Muslim invasion and take-over of the Roman Empire? Ottoman invasion of Europe? Of India? Raiding Europe to kidnap and sell into slavery over a million people, capturing and trading countless African slaves? What was the 'just cause'?

Please explain.