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Reply #2160 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 12:32am

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 12:25am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 12:15am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 12:11am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 29^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

Saddam killed two million people? I can't see it, but we're through the looking glass now with rapey rape.and the genocidal sons.

More people died from the sanctions, the invasion and the subsequent insurgency than anything Saddam did, and it cost the US dearly.

How many Iraqis did that directly influence?

I can't even believe I'm having this discussion. I must be of an ilk.

Good grief, now I remember. The ilk- that's what the old boy used to say!

The fact people died from the sanctions - you wouldn't blame the dear leader? really? See, tihs is the problem with pacifists, who are also ignorant of history, and who's whole purpose is to paint a pretty picture of a genocidal rapist.

As leader, it is Saddam's job to protect his people. His failures which result in the death of civilians are attributed to his death tally, not someone else.

Well, he did something right. He bought the Australian Wheat Board a few drinks to "protect his people". Mind you, we never heard pacifist regressives like Alexander Downer using this line.

So your argument is that he was a nice guy because Alexander Downer thought so.

Great, thanks.

I think you'll find that's your final justification for the invasion of Iraq, but I'm sure you can squeeze pacifists, regressives and rapey rape into a few more posts.

Well, when talking to you it's definitely relevant to tlak about pacifism, being regressive, and supporting a genocidal rapey rapist maniac and his 2 sadistic sons. But it's ok. Alexander Downer liked him too.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52950 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #2162 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm [http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus... See 5th paragraph.
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Reply #2163 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 5:34pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus...

See 5th paragraph.

Strange. Back then, your argument was that we were bringing democracy to the tinted races. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator - he was one of them.

You seem to have changed your mind too, old boy.

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Reply #2164 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 8:35pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus...

See 5th paragraph.

Strange. Back then, your argument was that we were bringing democracy to the tinted races. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator - he was one of them.

You seem to have changed your mind too, old boy.

I posted a link to The New York Times, ya thick, stupid, Paki Bwian.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #2165 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 8:42pm Karnal, would you shake the genocidal maniacs rapey hand? You never said.
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Reply #2166 - Sep 30^th, 2017 at 9:03pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus...

See 5th paragraph.

Strange. Back then, your argument was that we were bringing democracy to the tinted races. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator - he was one of them.

You seem to have changed your mind too, old boy.

I posted a link to The New York Times, ya thick, stupid, Paki Bwian.

Oh, I see. And here I was thinking you'd posted it to support your own views.

Silly old Karnal, eh?

By the way, dear boy, it was written in 2003. The invasion and lack of WMDs came later.

I wonder if your journalist (no relation to your own views) changed his mind too.

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Reply #2167 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 9:07am

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus...

See 5th paragraph.

Strange. Back then, your argument was that we were bringing democracy to the tinted races. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator - he was one of them.

You seem to have changed your mind too, old boy.

I posted a link to The New York Times, ya thick, stupid, Paki Bwian.

Oh, I see. And here I was thinking you'd posted it to support your own views.

Silly old Karnal, eh?

By the way, dear boy, it was written in 2003. The invasion and lack of WMDs came later.

I wonder if your journalist (no relation to your own views) changed his mind too.

It disputes YOUR breezy and idiotic crap defence of Saddam the murderous monster.

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Reply #2168 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 9:09am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 29^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Oh sure, extremism exists in all religions. But it isn't the same type of extremism. Extremist Christians and Jews don't go around slaughtering non-believers not because 'their government is doing it for them' but simply because they don't interpret their religion in that fashion anymore.

Indeed alevine, and why do you think that is? Is it as FD and most others here argue that Islam is, as a doctrine, just so much more evil than any other religion? Or would you prefer to actually think beyond 5 year old logics, and look at some relevant socio-economic and political contexts? Do you think, for example, the Christians and Jews would rediscover their "God wants me to kill the heathen" beliefs if Europe or the US was periodically occupied and economically and politically under the thumb of say Saudi Arabia - for decades on end?

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And how do we know this? Because even before the US and allies committed themselves to wars, Christians and Jews weren't the ones running around bombing people on the basis of their religion. Are you telling me their bloodlust before the wars was fullfilled by something else?

Let me put it this way - do you agree that the number of innocent civilians killed by the US and their allies in the post war era pales by a long long way in comparison to the number of innocent civilians killed by muslim terrorists - regardless of intent?

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Reply #2169 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 10:31am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 9:09am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 29^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Oh sure, extremism exists in all religions. But it isn't the same type of extremism. Extremist Christians and Jews don't go around slaughtering non-believers not because 'their government is doing it for them' but simply because they don't interpret their religion in that fashion anymore.

Indeed alevine, and why do you think that is? Is it as FD and most others here argue that Islam is, as a doctrine, just so much more evil than any other religion? Or would you prefer to actually think beyond 5 year old logics, and look at some relevant socio-economic and political contexts? Do you think, for example, the Christians and Jews would rediscover their "God wants me to kill the heathen" beliefs if Europe or the US was periodically occupied and economically and politically under the thumb of say Saudi Arabia - for decades on end?

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And how do we know this? Because even before the US and allies committed themselves to wars, Christians and Jews weren't the ones running around bombing people on the basis of their religion. Are you telling me their bloodlust before the wars was fullfilled by something else?

Let me put it this way - do you agree that the number of innocent civilians killed by the US and their allies in the post war era pales by a long long way in comparison to the number of innocent civilians killed by muslim terrorists - regardless of intent?

Muslims were killing the heathen when they were spreading like topsy. See conquest of India, Armenian genocide, ottoman conquests and massacres, etc, etc. It's not 'socio-economic' reasons. Don't give us the pseudo-marxist arsecovering claptrap. You are not some gay social worker Paki from Bankstown.
Islam is subjugation. Thats what it means, that's what it does.

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Reply #2170 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 2:19pm

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 10:31am:

Muslims were killing the heathen when they were spreading like topsy. See conquest of India, Armenian genocide, ottoman conquests and massacres, etc, etc. It's not 'socio-economic' reasons. Don't give us the pseudo-marxist arsecovering claptrap. You are not some gay social worker Paki from Bankstown. Islam is subjugation. Thats what it means, that's what it does.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. It's always 'cause of their religious beliefs in your mind is it? I suppose you excuse the Rwandan Genocide, the Balkans Wars, the attacks on Muslims in the US, Australia, etc. by Christians because their Religion excuses such behaviour towards "unbelievers"? Roll Eyes

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Reply #2171 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 2:44pm

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 9:07am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/the-world-how-many-people-has-hus...

See 5th paragraph.

Strange. Back then, your argument was that we were bringing democracy to the tinted races. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator - he was one of them.

You seem to have changed your mind too, old boy.

I posted a link to The New York Times, ya thick, stupid, Paki Bwian.

Oh, I see. And here I was thinking you'd posted it to support your own views.

Silly old Karnal, eh?

By the way, dear boy, it was written in 2003. The invasion and lack of WMDs came later.

I wonder if your journalist (no relation to your own views) changed his mind too.

It disputes YOUR breezy and idiotic crap defence of Saddam the murderous monster.

No, you don't. You expect him to be a genocidal monster. He's tinted.

The genocidal monster is the love child of post-colonialism, no?

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Reply #2172 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 3:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. It's always 'cause of their religious beliefs in your mind is it? I suppose you excuse the Rwandan Genocide, the Balkans Wars, the attacks on Muslims in the US, Australia, etc. by Christians because their Religion excuses such behaviour towards "unbelievers"?

You have mental issues Brian.

After reading Three Thousand of your posts it is my professional opinion that you require help. Would you like my help?

If so send me a pm and I will put you in touch with people that "may" be able to help you for you appear to suffer from PTSD.

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Justsayno Go home and have talk to your fictitious autistic son, looser.

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Reply #2173 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 4:04pm

Justsayno wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. It's always 'cause of their religious beliefs in your mind is it? I suppose you excuse the Rwandan Genocide, the Balkans Wars, the attacks on Muslims in the US, Australia, etc. by Christians because their Religion excuses such behaviour towards "unbelievers"?

You have mental issues Brian.

After reading Three Thousand of your posts it is my professional opinion that you require help. Would you like my help?

If so send me a pm and I will put you in touch with people that "may" be able to help you for you appear to suffer from PTSD.

Don't bother, he had the lobotomy years ago.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #2174 - Oct 1^st, 2017 at 4:13pm the board liar wrote Reply #2170 - Today at 2:19pm Quote: by Christians because their Religion excuses such behaviour towards "unbelievers"? Show one teaching of Christ which advocates torture and slaughter of unbelievers. If you can't I reserve the right to call you a liar.
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