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Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
This is an article from the Guardian

Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop

The results of the Australian election are far from a mandate for abolition – voters preferred to stay home instead

Abbott leads a coalition of parties comprised largely of climate deniers.

Just five days before polling day, then-opposition leader Tony Abbott declared at Australia's National Press Club that the 2013 election would be a referendum on the carbon price.

"More than anything," Mr Abbott said, "this election is a referendum on the carbon tax."

The Australian federal election was held on Saturday 7 September, an event notable for vast absenteeism at the polling booths in a nation with compulsory voting.

Factoring in early voting and postal voting, there are likely to be more than 2 million enrolled voters out of over 14 million, who chose to pay a fine rather than vote on Saturday. The electoral commission's website is being progressively updated as votes are still being counted, but it is likely that fewer people voted this year than in the previous election three years ago.

Abbott, who leads a coalition of parties comprised largely of climate deniers, made it clear in during the election campaign that he has no plans whatsoever to tackle climate change.

His single climate policy, called "Direct Action" was jettisoned days before the poll when he revealed that he would spend no more than the slated $3.2bn in industry hand-outs for carbon reductions and tree planting — even if that meant missing the bipartisan 5% emission reduction target. Analysis of the Direct Action policy by the Climate Institute shows that it would have been $4bn short to reach the 5% target.

Although Australia is still in care-taker mode, Tony Abbott has directed the public service to commence drafting legislation that would abolish the carbon price.

The ABC reported:

Mr Abbott's spokesman - and likely minister - for the environment, Greg Hunt, says scrapping the carbon tax will be new government's "first order of business".

The cost of repealing the carbon price has been estimated at over $6bn over four years. This is in addition to the $3.2bn that Abbott would waste on its Direct Action policy.

To successfully abolish the carbon price, Tony Abbott would need to navigate the relevant bills through a newly constituted Senate that from next year will be comprised of a cross bench of conservative minor parties, the Greens party and the opposition Labor party. Both the Greens party and Labor have said they will oppose moves to abolish the carbon price.

Alternatively, Abbott could take the bills to the current Senate, where the balance of power is held by fewer independent senators, notably anti-poker machine senator Nick Xenophon and socially conservative senator John Madigan.

Returning to Saturday's election, it is worth recognising that if 2013 was a referendum on the carbon price, then there was no clear result.

Despite Australia supposedly experiencing a "conservative tide" following the three years of minority government under Labor, Abbott's relentless campaign against the carbon price resulted in a paltry 1.7% swing to his Liberal National party coalition. In the Senate, Australia's house of review, the LNP saw a swing against it.

In fact, more pro-carbon price senators were elected than anti-carbon price (35 to 33). Mr Abbott needs 39 votes to pass legislation through the senate.

This is hardly a decisive result in the "referendum election".

In his victory speech, Abbott said: "In three years' time, the carbon tax will be gone." This was the sole reference to the issue that "more than anything" the election was about.

The result on Saturday is far from a mandate for Abbott's agenda to abolish the carbon tax. Given the choice, after three years of negative campaigning by the prime minister elect, to rush to the ballot box and vote against the carbon price, Australians seem to have preferred to stay home instead. His referendum was a failure
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:05pm
 
The Guardian is a Pinko rag
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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm
 
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin


You are an idiot arnt you.  What your talking about is who won the election. Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax.  Here's an idea get your face out of dear leader Abbotts arse and THINK for yourself fool.
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:24pm
 
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:05pm:
The Guardian is a Pinko rag

Any newspaper that doesn't advocate giving you bludger businesses a handout you call a pinko rag.  Here's an idea, Stop always putting your handout to the Australian public and work for your money like the rest of us do. Oh an pay the same rate of tax as we do bludger.
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
You are an idiot arnt you.  What your talking about is who won the election. Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax.  Here's an idea get your face out of dear leader Abbotts arse and THINK for yourself fool. 


In the run-up to the 2010 election neither party said they would introduce a carbon tax. In the run-up to the 2013 election both parties said they would abolish the carbon tax. Rudd even said the ALP had no mandate to introduce a carbon tax.


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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:27pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax


I think you need to go back to your Doc and get some extra strength anti-delusion medications........ Grin
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Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:30pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin


You are an idiot arnt you.  What your talking about is who won the election. Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax.  Here's an idea get your face out of dear leader Abbotts arse and THINK for yourself fool. 



Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

The idiot is you
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:31pm
 
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax


I think you need to go back to your Doc and get some extra strength anti-delusion medications........ Grin


why? it could be argued that people voted for the senate they voted for so as to block Abbott ..... contrary to what you may believe, most people who voted liberal didn't do so because of one issue.

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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:33pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin



If conservatives are so sure about their path of environmental terrorism, take it to a DD at the earliest possible opportunity.
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:34pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Yes Abbott won the election.  But he did not get a mandate for repealing the carbon tax


I think you need to go back to your Doc and get some extra strength anti-delusion medications........ Grin


why? it could be argued that people voted for the senate they voted for so as to block Abbott ..... contrary to what you may believe, most people who voted liberal didn't do so because of one issue.




You'd better go with the Chimp Smiddy
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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:40pm
 
____ wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin



If conservatives are so sure about their path of environmental terrorism, take it to a DD at the earliest possible opportunity.


Then the Greens and Labor need to vote down the legislation

Greens lost 25% of its voter base because you had a carbon tax
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:56pm
 
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:05pm:
The Guardian is a Pinko rag

It's still far better than the fascist propaganda of the Murdoch press. At least the Guardian doesn't have a long and sordid history of printing fabrications. Watch the ABC's Media Watch, and it's not long before yet another example of mendacious Murdoch muppetry is paraded for the morbid curiosity of the masses.
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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:01pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
____ wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin



If conservatives are so sure about their path of environmental terrorism, take it to a DD at the earliest possible opportunity.


Then the Greens and Labor need to vote down the legislation

Yeah, bring it. Then we'll get an election campaign where the puppet Coalition's policies are actually scrutinised, including by the Coalition themselves. (Boat buy-back? Internet filter policy that they clearly didn't even read before announcing? Bahahaha!!  Grin)
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Re: Tony Abbott's carbon price referendum was a flop
Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:03pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
____ wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Both the Greens and Labor went to the election with a carbon tax

(1) Greens lost almost 25% of the voter base
(2) Labor got the lowest primary vote in 100 years

and you think this was a flop for Abbott?  Grin Grin Grin Grin



If conservatives are so sure about their path of environmental terrorism, take it to a DD at the earliest possible opportunity.


Then the Greens and Labor need to vote down the legislation

Yeah, bring it. Then we'll get an election campaign where the puppet Coalition's policies are actually scrutinised, including by the Coalition themselves. (Boat buy-back? Internet filter policy that they clearly didn't even read before announcing? Bahahaha!!  Grin)


It was scrutinised and and Greens lost 25% of it's voter base and Labor primary votes lowest in 100 years
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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number
 
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