muso wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:




Muso -- if you're in favour of fluoride or any one of the toxins added to public water supplies -- and if you're in favour of the entire toxic cocktail known these days as 'drinking water' ------------- then the discussion is no longer of concern to you

is it ?


Unless, of course, you for some reason wish others to continue drinking toxins

in which case, you'd want to persuade people to ignore prestigious medical bibles such as The Lancet when they warn against fluoride

and you'd pooh-pooh the Israeli and numerous other governments' decisions to protect their population against fluoride


So -- if you are happy to consume fluoride

---- if you are happy for your kids to consume fluoride

--- if you think it's great


WHY are you so insistent that people listen to you -- instead of tens of thousands of physicians, dentists, scientists, researchers, government health bodies and governments themselves ?

.

So let's take a look at Israel as a way of gauging if it's careless about its own safety and security

Vanunu was imprisoned for many years for exposing Dimona, Israel's secret nuclear facility

Israel hasn't stopped for a second since 1948 as far as increasing its territories is concerned

Israel looks after Number One, first, second, third

Israel ignores the United Nations and does just as it pleases

Isreal ejects blacks, muslims and anyone else it doesn't like or want

Israelis speak plainly against refugees, asylum seekers, migrants.  Israelis say, 'Get out !'.  And Israeli politicians state outright they don't want jews involved in any way with non-jews, because jews want to preserve their homogeneity.  No concessions to politically correct speech in Israel  (in fact, I should move there and feel at home)

Israel has the world by the nose.  All politicians in all governments, worldwide, go out of their way to brown nose Israel


So when Israel puts something on the Urgent list --- such as banning fluoride entirely within the space of less than a year from the announcement -- I listen.  Makes sense to listen.  Israel after all, looks after Israel

But for those who don't believe Israel is reliable in its decision making -- you might listen to, for example, Sir David Attenborough when he states, with one foot in the grave and nothing much to fear, that 'humans are no longer evolving.  We're going backwards'

Or, those who have no faith in Israel or Sir David, or tens of thousands of researchers, doctors, dentists, scientists, etc. when they state fluoride to be a dangerous toxin with no health advantages, might want to peruse the primary-school exams set for kids in the US (or even here in Oz) 100 or even 50 years ago

Then, remembering that most of those kids attended school a few hours a day, a couple of times a week after getting up at 3 a.m. to milk the cows, toss the hay, collect the eggs, draw water from the well AND walk five or so miles to school (and back) -- those who choose to ignore Israel and most of the world's governments who've banned fluoride ... might want to try those primary school exams of a hundred years ago

and I'll bet they will emerge from that exercise with a new appreciation of just how dumb they are compared with overworked, overtired farm kids aged from say, 8 years old to maybe 10 years old

Those kids emerge as Einsteins compared with the average university students of today

Why?  Ask yourselves why

Then refer to government and science's warnings that in amongst ALL the serious health dangers of fluoride ---- it also damages the brain and makes people stupid


Ok.  So now most adults in the Western world acknowledge that they've been rendered stupid by fluoride

What they have to decide at that point is ---- do you want your kids to be stupid too ?

If so, keep flushing fluoride through their systems.  Ignore the warnings.  Switch on Dancing with the Stars and Big Brother and forget it

After all, the NSW government already believes you're all too stupid to care that they're legislating to make fluoride -- the Stupid Supplement -- mandatory

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:


Fluoridation has been demonstrated time and time again to reduce caries.

Surprisingly there is slightly more risk of colon cancer from chlorination, but the flip side is that if you stopped chlorinating, people would drop in their thousands due to water borne diseases.

Nothing has zero risk, especially Chimp's water filter. They are an expensive gimmick. Some of them actually remove minerals from the water, which is a harmful thing to do. Most of them can't remove Fluoride. The ones that do, remove other useful minerals.

The latest gimmick is alkaline water.  It doesn't do any harm but has no benefit whatsoever.

If you want to know about Fluoride, ask your doctor or dentist.

Common Fluoride myths from Queensland Health:

http://www.health.qld.gov.au/fluoride/document/myth_fact_sheet.pdf

Hyperthyroidism can be caused by very high levels of Fluorine, something like 1000 times what is added to drinking water. 

Google Hyperthyroidism to find out the causes.  One of the causes is Iodine deficiency. It's quite common in Switzerland.

Chimp's water filter, if it actually removes Fluoride, will also remove Iodide.

This is a wine goblet made of calcium fluoride. (Fluorspar)

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:


Some of it bioaccumulates as calcium fluoride, which is harmless. The point is that people who live in areas that are high in fluoride don't appear to suffer any ill effects, despite the fact that it's present at levels up to 100 times that in fluoridated water.

The best source of information is the World Health Organisation.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/ehc/WHO_EHC_227.pdf

Just having a quick look on wikipedia for numbers.

Water fluoridation:
A 1994 World Health Organization expert committee suggested a level of fluoride from 0.5 to 1.0 mg/L (milligrams per litre), depending on climate.

Effects on the Thyroid:
Thyroid effects in humans were associated with fluoride levels 0.05–0.13 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was adequate and 0.01–0.03 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was inadequate.[15]:263 Its mechanisms and effects on the endocrine system remain unclear.

Correct me if I'm wrong in the following please.
Just going with the minimums for thyroid and maximum recommended for water(worse case)

.05mg/kg/day would require in someone weighing say 70kg,  3.5mg in one day if they had adequate Iodine intake.

If their Iodine intake was inadequate the minimum rate is .01mg/kg/day which again for someone weighing 70kg would be .7mg in one day?

Going off say 1mg/L of water of water fluoridation. As recommended by these guys.
That would mean 3.5 litres if your Iodine is adequate and less than one litre if it is inadequate.

Doesn't that seem a little too close?
Also if it isn't transformed into calcium fluoride, then that means each day this stuff is accumulating in your body....

muso wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:


No problem, I look forward to it.