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does Islam equate sex and rape?
Mar 5th, 2012 at 6:20pm
 
Is it true that wherever Islam permits sex, it permits rape, by not requiring consent and compelling submission, and that wherever Islam punishes rape, it also punishes consensual sex?

Are the punishments for consensual sex the same as those for rape in the same context?
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Re: does Islam equate sex and rape?
Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
Are the punishments for consensual sex the same as those for rape in the same context?


No. Rapists face a range of punishments in islam like crusifixion or double amputation.
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:54pm
 
So the punishment is more severe than for consensual sex? What would the punishment be for consensual sex in those situations? Isn't the punishment for consensual sex death by stoning in some contexts?
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:10pm
 
If the punishment for adulterers in Islam was stoning, it'd be in the Quran. Is it?

Is a punishment more severe than stoning even possible? Necklacing, perhaps?
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:54pm:
So the punishment is more severe than for consensual sex? What would the punishment be for consensual sex in those situations? Isn't the punishment for consensual sex death by stoning in some contexts?


what an appalling belief that is so oppressive.
dictators must love it.
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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 5:39am
 
So sprint, you think Jesus in his "Old Testament" days was oppressive? According to your beliefs isn't Jesus Yahweh? And didn't Yahweh in the OT command the exact same things? Is your god a reformed dictator?
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Re: does Islam equate sex and rape?
Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:06am
 
falah wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:11pm:
double amputation.


You mean both testicles?
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 1:05pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:10pm:
If the punishment for adulterers in Islam was stoning, it'd be in the Quran. Is it?

Is a punishment more severe than stoning even possible? Necklacing, perhaps?


There is a hadith about Aisha's pet goat eating the verses on stoning and suckling,yet muslims discard this hadith as weak because it proves the Quran has been corrupted.

What other reason do muslims give for this missing verse?

Bukhari said the verse was revealed and read so where is it?

If stoning is not in the Quran then why do muslims insist on doing it, is it because there are many hadeeth saying it is the done thing?

The Quran is incomplete despite it telling you it has been perfected in Sura 5/3.
They couldnt add verses to the Quran after it was completed 23 years after Mo died so they came up with the hadith, a few extra editions of Islamic text to explain all the stuff the Quran left out.
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Re: does Islam equate sex and rape?
Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 3:58pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 5:39am:

So sprint, you think Jesus in his "Old Testament" days was oppressive? According to your beliefs isn't Jesus Yahweh? And didn't Yahweh in the OT command the exact same things? Is your god a reformed dictator?




You are again, being 'silly' Abu.

Using, applying, a preposterous logic.

Dictionary;
preposterous = = utterly absurd or ridiculous.

Again you are equating God's OT covenant laws [and those specific covenant punishments], as laws for all times, and for all people.

Whether those other people [non-Hebrews], were in-covenant with God, or not.



And Abu,

And as to your implication that God is/was a [harsh] dictator, because of his covenant laws....

If i make a covenant with someone, and if we agree beforehand, what the 'cost' will be, if one of us breaks the covenant, then what should the 'cost' be Abu, if one of us breaks our covenant ?

Shouldn't the cost of breaking our covenant, be, what we had both agreed to ?

If i require the person that i entered into the covenant to fulfil his obligations, under the agreed covenant, is that, oppression, or being a 'dictator', to require my partner in my covenant, to fulfil his obligations ?







Abu,

You are an ignorant moslem.

And you are a blasphemer, against God himself.

And you clearly know nothing about God, or his just [OT covenant] laws, OR, who those laws applied to.



Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:


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Re: does Islam equate sex and rape?
Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 5:38pm
 
Ok so likewise we Muslims entered into a similar covenant.

Continue with your contradictory nonsense...
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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:13pm
 
Abu are you saying Islamic laws are only temporary?
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Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 8:09pm
 
you never fail to surprise fd.

What pray tell brought you to this mixed up conclusion?
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 8:58pm
 
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Again you are equating God's OT covenant laws [and those specific covenant punishments], as laws for all times, and for all people.


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Ok so likewise we Muslims entered into a similar covenant.


If you meant something else feel free to explain.
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:05pm
 
Every covenant before Mohammed's was by definition temporary as they were all preludes to the final one that is forever. Muslims are special, don't you know? They have replaced the Jews as the Chosen People.

This is why the Jews thought Mohammed was a meshuggeh.
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Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:34pm
 
fd,

Yes I know what I said, now can you match that up with your hair brained claim that it must therefore lead one to conclude that Islamic law is temporary.
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