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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: US political correctness once again costing lives. Reply #60 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 7:52pm Quote: You. make. sh!t. up. about. what. the. quran. tells. muslims. to. do. Does. the. koran. tell. muslims. to. follow. muhameds. lead. ?.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: US political correctness once again costing lives. Reply #61 - Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:16pm yes - I'm positive you meant that when you stated that the quran orders muslims to stone people.
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Reply #62 - Sep 9^th, 2013 at 10:04pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

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Reply #63 - Sep 9^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Herbert I'm well aware of what many muslims and muslim jurists believe from the hadeeth regarding stoning. Thats not the issue here.
The issue is FD making up stories about what the quran tells muslims to believe.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #64 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:04am

True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not?

In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it.

May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace.

Allah Uakbar!

FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him.

There is much wisdom in the scarecrow.

Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence.

Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work.

When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence.

Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings.

May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder.

Allah Uakbar!

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Reply #65 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:06am

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:04am:

True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not?

In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it.

May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace.

Allah Uakbar!

FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him.

There is much wisdom in the scarecrow.

Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence.

Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work.

When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence.

Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings.

May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder.

Allah Uakbar!

ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #66 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:43am

gandalf ~ why the denial? Your churlish obfuscations are not winning you any points with regard to Islam's sanctioning of stoning as a means of execution.

The hadiths instruct the laity as to the meaning of certain passages in the Koran.

For this reason alone Muslim scholars acknowledge that the hadiths carry just as much authority as the Koran itself.

The hadiths interpretation of passages in the Koran authorise the use of stoning as a means of execution.

Islamic scholars agree that this interpretation is correct and faithful to the will of Allah.

Please have the good grace to acknowledge this ... so we can then all move on from this Ground Hog Day in which you are repeatedly and stubbornly refusing to budge from your position which your own scholars disagree with.

Insha'Allah, you will fold your tent and concede the point as having been proved.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97788	Re: US political correctness once again costing lives. Reply #67 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:38am Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:06am: Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent. It is so, my friend. All are Gud, is it not? And we are in Him.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: US political correctness once again costing lives. Reply #68 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:12pm Gandalf do you agree that stoning is part of Shariah law?
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Reply #69 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:49pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:06am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:04am:

True, my friend, but in a free society of the will, FD is free to tell others what the Koran tells them to believe. It is a free countries, is it not?

In this worlds, all may be a mullah. We can be a teacher and a follower and a prophet, isn’t it.

May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace.

Allah Uakbar!

FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him.

There is much wisdom in the scarecrow.

Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence.

Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work.

When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence.

Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings.

May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder.

Allah Uakbar!

ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

If there is any poster who doesn't want to debate, its you Yadda. Cheesy

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