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Reply #240 - Jun 10^th, 2013 at 8:08am

No job for you.

To be fair, I actually agree with the principle that employers should be allowed to employ whoever they like ~ and without the law requiring them to explain why they have refused employment to a certain applicant.

I remember the case of a young Muslim woman who applied for a job in London as a hairdresser in a privately-owned hairdressing salon, only to be knocked back when the manager objected to her wearing a hijab while she would be attending to the clients.

What a fuss the socialist press made of this. Demonised the young English manager as a monster of racism and bigotry.

Needless to say, the owner had every right to discriminate in choosing the sort of image and person she wanted to work in her salon.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: what went wrong? Reply #243 - Jun 10^th, 2013 at 5:55pm rattatatat ... rattatatat ... ... swish... swish ... boooom TISH!
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Reply #244 - Jun 10^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

One should also be careful. There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism. They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries. Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.

You are not very culturally clued in and sensitive and affirming, are you Brain, our resident faire of the lassaire?

You try to sound ominous but in reality you are just pompous and empty. All puffery and hot air. You are not saying anything while your lips are moving, Brain.

If multiculturalism is not cultural laissez-faire, I don't know what it is.
Do you?
No.

You really don't understand the things you're talking about, do you, Soren? Roll Eyes

Look at you, you stupid, blustering drongo. lassaire' faire. That's you, Lassie Fairy - an ignorant screamer.

Multiculturalism - it requires a host culture that is liberal and tolerant. You don't have multiculturalism under Islam because Islam is neither liberal, nor tolerant, nor cultured for that matter.

But here you are, carrying on, spitting, flustered queen because I dared say that Islam is an oppressive and intolerant creed. What have you got, Lassie Fairy, other than self-righteous indignation and spit? Nothing. No reason, no argument, just silliness and pouting indignation.

Dismissed. Grin

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102896	Re: what went wrong? Reply #245 - Jun 12^th, 2013 at 10:38am Shurely shome mishtake.
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Reply #246 - Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

Soren wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

One should also be careful. There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism. They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries. Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.

You are not very culturally clued in and sensitive and affirming, are you Brain, our resident faire of the lassaire?

You try to sound ominous but in reality you are just pompous and empty. All puffery and hot air. You are not saying anything while your lips are moving, Brain.

If multiculturalism is not cultural laissez-faire, I don't know what it is.
Do you?
No.

You really don't understand the things you're talking about, do you, Soren? Roll Eyes

Look at you, you stupid, blustering drongo. lassaire' faire. That's you, Lassie Fairy - an ignorant screamer.

Multiculturalism - it requires a host culture that is liberal and tolerant. You don't have multiculturalism under Islam because Islam is neither liberal, nor tolerant, nor cultured for that matter.

Quite right, old chap. You don't have multiculturalism under the Mormons either. Or the Seventh Day Adventists. Or the Papists. Or Peter Jensen's Anglican diocese - he's been railing against religious tolerance for years.

Hindus? Maybe. They have a god for every occasion. Buddhists? They have no gods.

Still, not very multicultural either.

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Soren

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Reply #247 - Jun 12^th, 2013 at 9:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:06pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1369050809/206#206 date=1370246501][quote author=Jazza link=1369050809/203#203 date=1370126891]
Really?? Where?

Every where, Soren. There is only three nations which are still Monocultural - Iceland, North Korea and Japan. Japan is slowly realising it cannot keep treating its Ainu and Korean and Chinese descended citizens as a second-class. No one but Norse descended settleers lives in Iceland (who would? Shocked

). North Korea goes without saying, it's a political and economic basketcase.

Only societies which are hybrids and cosmopolitan are vigorous and upbeat, Soren.

Do you really, really think that apart from these three countries, the rest of the world is multicultural??

You are worse than I thought.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: what went wrong? Reply #248 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 6:54pm Actually Iceland is about a 60:40 mix of Norse and Irish blood. The Irish were brought in as slaves, and there was a fair bit of intermarriage.
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Reply #249 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

muso wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Actually Iceland is about a 60:40 mix of Norse and Irish blood. The Irish were brought in as slaves, and there was a fair bit of intermarriage.

FFS, Mr Know-it-fvckn-all, we are talking about culture, not genetics. Iceland is culturally homogeneous (or has been until 5 minutes ago.) And it is also genetically the most homogeneous place.

Anyway, the point is - mixing different and incompatible cultural practices within the same jurisdiction (ie nation state) IS a stupid and potentially explosive thing. Which cultural practice takes precedence? The one that tolerates others (western liberal democracy) until it is eclipsed by others that do not tolerate difference (ie Muslims, in our case, unless submission tax is extracted).

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Reply #250 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 6:09am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

No job for you.

To be fair, I actually agree with the principle that employers should be allowed to employ whoever they like ~ and without the law requiring them to explain why they have refused employment to a certain applicant.

I remember the case of a young Muslim woman who applied for a job in London as a hairdresser in a privately-owned hairdressing salon, only to be knocked back when the manager objected to her wearing a hijab while she would be attending to the clients.

What a fuss the socialist press made of this. Demonised the young English manager as a monster of racism and bigotry.

Needless to say, the owner had every right to discriminate in choosing the sort of image and person she wanted to work in her salon.

So it would be okay to not employ someone who has blond hair because they have blond hair? How about someone wearing one of those jewish crosses?

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Reply #251 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:01am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

No job for you.

To be fair, I actually agree with the principle that employers should be allowed to employ whoever they like ~ and without the law requiring them to explain why they have refused employment to a certain applicant.

I remember the case of a young Muslim woman who applied for a job in London as a hairdresser in a privately-owned hairdressing salon, only to be knocked back when the manager objected to her wearing a hijab while she would be attending to the clients.

What a fuss the socialist press made of this. Demonised the young English manager as a monster of racism and bigotry.

Needless to say, the owner had every right to discriminate in choosing the sort of image and person she wanted to work in her salon.

So it would be okay to not employ someone who has blond hair because they have blond hair? How about someone wearing one of those jewish crosses?

SOB

Any number of questions good be asked about "what if? what if?" without coming to a firm conclusion.

What if a bloke who owns a hardware shop has the option between two applications.

1) Tall, handsome, strapping young white man with a good knowledge of tools.
2) Small little Indian women with a good knowledge of tools.

They can't be separated on their abilities. By all measurements their abilities are virtually equal.

The shop however has some fairly predictable customers.

*Mostly all white people.
*Lots of tradesmen who feel comfortable asking for advice off another man and wouldn't like being given help from an Indian women.
*Lots of young women who have more confidence having tools explained to them by a big man. They just assume that as a man he knows what he is talking about.

Now who should he hire? Common sense says the white bloke. The shop owner himself may not care about race and gender, but he knows his customers do. But due to anti discrimination and Political correctness he would be under pressure to hire the Indian women. In fact, if he doesn't he may end up with a court case on his hands.

Should the shop keeper be forced to hire someone who will drive his customers away just so as to give everyone a fare go? Is it really for the business owner to sacrifice his profits of perhaps even his business all together just to give someone a job?

While you're looking for the answer, think of all those Chinese restaurants who just happen to only have Chinese working for them. Or all those Indian restaurants who just have Indians working for them. I'm sure they hire them only on their skill and not their race right?

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Reply #252 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

So it would be okay to not employ someone who has blond hair because they have blond hair?

Of course.

If a boss doesn't want to employ a Dumb Blonde then why should the law prosecute him? Grin

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

How about someone wearing one of those jewish crosses?

A Jew applying for a Customer Service job with his religion hanging off his neck is just as much a threat to the business profits as is a Muslim girl in a hijab.

For the sake of maintaining the peace, Western culture asks that people keep their politics and their religion a matter that is private to themselves.

Ostentatious displays of religious symbols only serves to antagonise ancient rivalries and prejudices.

The Jewish kid could keep his pendant hidden under his shirt, and the Muslim girl need only remove that scarf to get the job.

If that's too much of an impost upon them ~ then they should emigrate to where these portable religious billboards are appreciated.

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Reply #253 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 2:14pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

What if a bloke who owns a hardware shop has the option between two applications.

1) Tall, handsome, strapping young white man with a good knowledge of tools.
2) Small little Indian women with a good knowledge of tools.

They can't be separated on their abilities. By all measurements their abilities are virtually equal.

The shop however has some fairly predictable customers.

*Mostly all white people.
*Lots of tradesmen who feel comfortable asking for advice off another man and wouldn't like being given help from an Indian women.
*Lots of young women who have more confidence having tools explained to them by a big man. They just assume that as a man he knows what he is talking about.

Now who should he hire? Common sense says the white bloke. The shop owner himself may not care about race and gender, but he knows his customers do. But due to anti discrimination and Political correctness he would be under pressure to hire the Indian women. In fact, if he doesn't he may end up with a court case on his hands.

Should the shop keeper be forced to hire someone who will drive his customers away just so as to give everyone a fare go? Is it really for the business owner to sacrifice his profits of perhaps even his business all together just to give someone a job?

While you're looking for the answer, think of all those Chinese restaurants who just happen to only have Chinese working for them. Or all those Indian restaurants who just have Indians working for them. I'm sure they hire them only on their skill and not their race right?

Excellent editorial.

I personally would ask the Indian woman if she was married.

If she was, and her husband was working, I would choose the young bloke ~ every time.

During my 6 years of doing casual work all over Sydney I got tired of walking into factories where 90% of the workers were middle aged ethnic women who between themselves and their husbands owned 'Wog McMansions' ~ and half a dozen units back in Athens or Rome or wherever ... with MEANWHILE, the 5% NSW Unemployment rate included God-Knows how many husbands who couldn't find a vacancy so they could get off the dole and work to support their families and start paying off a family home.

Greed ~ and nothing but piggish greed keeps a great many immigrant Mediterranean couples out in the workforce WAY after they've paid off everything they need for a comfortable retirement on investment properties.

Middle Aged hogs with their snouts in the trough ~ while thousands of young families can't start their life because these bitches have taken all the jobs.

I saw it with my own eyes.

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: what went wrong? Reply #254 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:19pm Dare I ask a question, Herb? How many of those working out of, and for, those Wog McMansions were Islamic? Shirley, most of those working would have been the good, stolid, Catholic Greek or Italian boys. OooooooPs! Can't generalise!
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