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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #225 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:32am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

Obviously you have a problem understanding anything that is said. You just don't get the discussion at all.

Yeah i do - you are implying that islam is a "culture' (meaning race) and youa re parnoid they will tell you what to do.

My entire argument on this thread and others is that culture and race are not the same thing.

*Islam is not a race
*Islam is a culture

Why keep mixing up the words? Because you don't have an argument so you try to make one from a non issue.

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Its a religion as is xtianity and hinduism. no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do.

SOB

I say: "Muslims don't have a right to tell Australians how you live".
You say: "hahaha seriously - so you think there are no Australian Muslims"
Followed by: "Seriously no religion has a right to tell anyone how to live in australia."
And now:"no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do."

Proof that you just argue for the sake of arguing.

This is the equivalent of;
Someone saying: "2+2=4",
You replying: "hahaha seriously - so you think 2+2=4?"
Followed by you then saying: "Seriously, 2+2=4."

It makes no sense. What the bugger are you trying to argue?

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: what went wrong? Reply #226 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:34am As Bowen has done a runner there is little point in this thread still going. You will just keep repeating the same non issue Bullshit till the end of time because you just have to argue for the sake of it.
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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #227 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:52am

Quantum wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

Obviously you have a problem understanding anything that is said. You just don't get the discussion at all.

Yeah i do - you are implying that islam is a "culture' (meaning race) and youa re parnoid they will tell you what to do.

My entire argument on this thread and others is that culture and race are not the same thing.

*Islam is not a race
*Islam is a culture

Why keep mixing up the words? Because you don't have an argument so you try to make one from a non issue.

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Its a religion as is xtianity and hinduism. no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do.

SOB

I say: "Muslims don't have a right to tell Australians how you live".
You say: "hahaha seriously - so you think there are no Australian Muslims"
Followed by: "Seriously no religion has a right to tell anyone how to live in australia."
And now:"no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do."

Proof that you just argue for the sake of arguing.

This is the equivalent of;
Someone saying: "2+2=4",
You replying: "hahaha seriously - so you think 2+2=4?"
Followed by you then saying: "Seriously, 2+2=4."

It makes no sense. What the bugger are you trying to argue?

When you sober up and realise what you were typing you are prolly going to fly into a page of abuse as usual . . . .

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #228 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

Obviously you have a problem understanding anything that is said. You just don't get the discussion at all.

Yeah i do - you are implying that islam is a "culture' (meaning race) and youa re parnoid they will tell you what to do.

My entire argument on this thread and others is that culture and race are not the same thing.

*Islam is not a race
*Islam is a culture

Why keep mixing up the words? Because you don't have an argument so you try to make one from a non issue.

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Its a religion as is xtianity and hinduism. no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do.

SOB

I say: "Muslims don't have a right to tell Australians how you live".
You say: "hahaha seriously - so you think there are no Australian Muslims"
Followed by: "Seriously no religion has a right to tell anyone how to live in australia."
And now:"no religion is allowed to tell us aussies what to do."

Proof that you just argue for the sake of arguing.

This is the equivalent of;
Someone saying: "2+2=4",
You replying: "hahaha seriously - so you think 2+2=4?"
Followed by you then saying: "Seriously, 2+2=4."

It makes no sense. What the bugger are you trying to argue?

When you sober up and realise what you were typing you are prolly going to fly into a page of abuse as usual . . . .

SOB

Why don't you just spell it out. I am sick to death of explaining stuff to you in an A -> B -> C type format that even a 5 year old could understand but you can't. If I have said something that resembles a drunk person quote it and explain why.

No more Bullshit Spot. No more going around in circles. Unless your next post explains exactly what I said that is so stupid, then let everyone see what a troll and waste of time you are.

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #229 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

If the UK experience is anything to go by, then Australia should close the gates to Rumanian immigration.

It's a no-brainer, but it won't happen, of course ~ not while the Peter Freedman and Mr Grey clones are in control of government policy.

Utterly ridiculous.

It's only a matter of time before these Enemies of Society arrive here in sufficient number to make their mark in the crime stats.

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #230 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:17am

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Only the people who can not live with other cultures are racists like you.

I can live with different cultures. So I am not a racist. There are different Muslims. The Muslims who can live with other cultures are not racists.

Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists. They are same to you essentially. Both you and them want to force others follow your own culture.

You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical.

Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.

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Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist.

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.

Islam is a religion. Not a "culture' and not a "race'.

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #231 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:52am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:17am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Only the people who can not live with other cultures are racists like you.

I can live with different cultures. So I am not a racist. There are different Muslims. The Muslims who can live with other cultures are not racists.

Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists. They are same to you essentially. Both you and them want to force others follow your own culture.

You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical.

Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.

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Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist.

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.

Islam is a religion. Not a "culture' and not a "race'.

SOB

Islam is a religion (Who claimed it wasn't?)
Islam is not a race (And who here claimed that it was? No one. So stop bullshitting)
Islam is a culture (Do you even know what culture is?)

Yet again you have failed to answer a simple question. You quote a post; put a one liner; pretend that you have said something intelligent. You have given no justification for your dismissive and mocking behaviour.

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #232 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:29am

Quantum wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:17am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Only the people who can not live with other cultures are racists like you.

I can live with different cultures. So I am not a racist. There are different Muslims. The Muslims who can live with other cultures are not racists.

Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists. They are same to you essentially. Both you and them want to force others follow your own culture.

You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical.

Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.

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Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist.

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.

Islam is a religion. Not a "culture' and not a "race'.

SOB

Islam is a religion (Who claimed it wasn't?)
Islam is not a race (And who here claimed that it was? No one. So stop bullshitting)
Islam is a culture (Do you even know what culture is?)

Yet again you have failed to answer a simple question. You quote a post; put a one liner; pretend that you have said something intelligent. You have given no justification for your dismissive and mocking behaviour.

Nope. Islam is a religion. Is xtianity a culture? Ppl from all 'cultures' are muslim or xtian or hindu etc.

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Reply #233 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:42am

From the perspective of being an atheist, religion is nothing more than a cultural-construct that has evolved out of a need to ingratiate with an imagined all-powerful God who can spoil your crops and cause accidents and disease to kill your loved ones.

It's as simple as that.

But if you've been bitten by the religion-bug, and the God-Spot in your brain is fully developed and a thriving parasite upon your insecurities and your more fearful emotions, then religion will seem to be such an integral part of you that it is not a learned culture but a core element in your essential being.

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Reply #234 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 10:17am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:17am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Only the people who can not live with other cultures are racists like you.

I can live with different cultures. So I am not a racist. There are different Muslims. The Muslims who can live with other cultures are not racists.

Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists. They are same to you essentially. Both you and them want to force others follow your own culture.

You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical.

Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.

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Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist.

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.

Islam is a religion. Not a "culture' and not a "race'.

SOB

SPOT,

The Koran [that is the moslem 'religious' book], declares that moslems are a distinct and separated people, who [because they are moslems] are better than any other people.

Moslems and their god, Allah, consider all moslems, the ummah, to be a culture and a people unto themselves.....

as per.....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

and.....

Dictionary;

ummah = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

and.....

"Muslims are one ummah (community)
to the exclusion of all men
. Believers are friends of one another
to the exclusion of all outsiders
."
Ishaq:231

And i say, bloody brilliant!!!!

Viva le difference!

Let what is coming, be upon their moslem heads, and not on my head!

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #235 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 10:21am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:17am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Only the people who can not live with other cultures are racists like you.

I can live with different cultures. So I am not a racist. There are different Muslims. The Muslims who can live with other cultures are not racists.

Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists. They are same to you essentially. Both you and them want to force others follow your own culture.

You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical.

Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.

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Only the Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist.

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.

Islam is a religion. Not a "culture' and not a "race'.

SOB

Islam is a religion (Who claimed it wasn't?)
Islam is not a race (And who here claimed that it was? No one. So stop bullshitting)
Islam is a culture (Do you even know what culture is?)

Yet again you have failed to answer a simple question. You quote a post; put a one liner; pretend that you have said something intelligent. You have given no justification for your dismissive and mocking behaviour.

Nope. Islam is a religion. Is xtianity a culture? Ppl from all 'cultures' are muslim or xtian or hindu etc.

SOB

Yes Islam is a religion. That does not mean that it is not a culture.

Stop being such a simpleton. Not every thing is so black and white without overlap.

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #236 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 10:21am

Yadda wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

SPOT,

The Koran [that is the moslem 'religious' book], declares that moslems are a distinct and separated people, who [because they are moslems] are better than any other people.

Moslems and their god, Allah, consider all moslems, the ummah, to be a culture and a people unto themselves.....

So do jews . . . .

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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #237 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:07pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 6:10pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1369050809/206#206 date=1370246501][quote author=Jazza link=1369050809/203#203 date=1370126891]
In what ways exactly? What made Australia so bad back then that people from all around the world wanted to come here?

Who said it was bad? I merely pointed out that the policy of Monoculturalism was judged to be a failure. It failed to answer the needs of the majority of citizens, the majority of the time.

One group in particular though, who judged it be a failure weren't even allowed to be citizens. Aborigines were forced to try and become White people while still being treated like Black people, by the Whites around them. Angry

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Reply #238 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:06pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1369050809/206#206 date=1370246501][quote author=Jazza link=1369050809/203#203 date=1370126891]
Really?? Where?

Every where, Soren. There is only three nations which are still Monocultural - Iceland, North Korea and Japan. Japan is slowly realising it cannot keep treating its Ainu and Korean and Chinese descended citizens as a second-class. No one but Norse descended settleers lives in Iceland (who would? Shocked

). North Korea goes without saying, it's a political and economic basketcase.

Only societies which are hybrids and cosmopolitan are vigorous and upbeat, Soren.

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Reply #239 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 6:13pm

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

One should also be careful. There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism. They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries. Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.

You are not very culturally clued in and sensitive and affirming, are you Brain, our resident faire of the lassaire?

You try to sound ominous but in reality you are just pompous and empty. All puffery and hot air. You are not saying anything while your lips are moving, Brain.

If multiculturalism is not cultural laissez-faire, I don't know what it is.
Do you?
No.

You really don't understand the things you're talking about, do you, Soren? Roll Eyes

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