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Reply #195 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 5:01pm
 
Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:51pm:
These words already show that you are a racist. Australian is including Muslim Australian. And no one have the right to force others change their live.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live


Yet you said;

Muslims who attempt to force others become Muslim and want to practice Islam law in Australia are racists.

You tell Muslims not to do this... that's fine. I tell them not to do it... I'm a racist.

The truth is, you're just a joke. Like spot you just close your eyes to excuse your own behaviour, and then close your ears to whatever anyone else says and scream "racist, racist, racist" without understanding what the word really means. You don't listen to a single thing anyone says to you.

I'll say this again;

Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.

*Many of these Muslims were born overseas. They came to Australia. They tell people born here that if they don't like Islam they should leave their home country.   
*You were born in China. You come to Australia. You tell people born here that if they don't like Multiculturalism they should leave their home country.

You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.
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Reply #196 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:54pm:
China have a bad government because of communism a western culture. The problems of the government of China is not the reason you force Chinese Australian change their culture.


Chinese government is a result of the Chinese smacking up their own country. You have no one else to blame but yourselves. But instead of staying in your own country and trying to fix the nation that your people have stuffed up, you come to Australia and tell us how to run ours.

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Reply #197 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 5:16pm
 
Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:55pm:
To keep one's culture is not racism.


Of course it isn't, but most people wanting to settle in countries which differ greatly to their own culture do so because they also want to embrace the lifestyle and culture of the country they have chosen to migrate to, not to change it.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:55pm:
To force others to follow one's own culture is racism. Do you understand?


It is arrogant to choose to live in a country with a vastly differing culture than what you are used to and expect the host country to pander to demands for change.  It is quite possible to keep your own culture and yet adapt to the culture of the host country you have chosen to live in.  No country expects you to lose your culture but they should expect you to assimilate and integrate.

The word "racism" is bandied about way too liberally and out of context.   Many people use the term just because their views differ.   This isn't racism.

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Reply #198 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm
 
Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:21pm:
Don't you think I learn English? I won't speak Chinese to you because you do not understand Chinese. However, to a Chinese, of course I speak Chinese. It's same for Italian, Greeks... Do you know what is community languages in Australia?

I joined the Australian community. Only racists like you believe Australia culture is only your culture.
 
You even don't understand what is multiculturalism. Then you claim the Muslim racists who are essential similar to you as the result of multiculturalism.



If you want to remain Chinese so adamantly, why not stay in China?? It is full of Chinese who all understand you on every level.
Funnily enough, there is no multiculturalism in China.  You are exploiting the West's hospitality. You come here and want to be cherished for maintaining your alien culture which is chauvinistic and exceptionalist.
You left China because it is full of people like you - Chinese. And here you are, strutting and demanding validation for what you yourself have fled.








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Reply #199 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 7:45pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:27pm:
Is there a race called "Australian"? No one is Australian when we talk about race.

For example, your race is not Australian too. Your race is European, maybe English or Scotch or called Anglo-Saxon.


Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm:
A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

The word "Aboriginal" has multiple senses. When Aboriginal means a race, they  are not Australian. When Aboriginal means citizenship, they are Australian.

However, Aboriginal is not a concept of citizenship. There is not a country called "Aboriginal".

This argument should convince you, it is your own argument.




We are talking about culture, customs, sensibility, home - not about genetics.

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Reply #200 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:15pm:
Simplified, If you are citizen of China, you can say you are a Chinese.

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:09pm:
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:44pm:
The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm:
If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???







Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?








OK, so if you are a citizen of Australia, you are Australia.  Why the bugger are you then banging on about being Chinese. Make up your mind!


But you have already -you are an opportunist.


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Reply #201 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:03am
 
Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:19pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:12pm:
Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:10pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:05pm:
Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:40pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:31pm:
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You were told not to do that anymore

SOB


1) No moderator has ever told me not to make pedophile accusations you liar. That's because I have never made a pedophile accusation on this forum, as I know not to do it and I have no desire to.

2) Any moderator with half a brain will laugh at your report. I didn't actually call him a pedophile. I showed how using a definition without understanding the true meaning of the word can allow anyone to accuse anyone of anything. That's what he (and yourself) are doing to accuse me and others of being racist.

3) This is more evidence that you don't understand what you are reading, and that you accuse people of saying things that they never did.


1) in the spot of troll thread aussie told us both not to make those accusations

2 and 3) You are projecting again

SOB


No, he told YOU to stop accusing people of being pedophiles. He told me to stop making comments about you having a thing for cats. I did not call you or anyone else on this forum a pedophile. Again, you are lying.



You are a liar. He told us both to stop both. He didnt say names.

SOB


I can't be told to stop doing something that I wasn't even doing in the first place. Not even you're that stupid to believe that.

Again you have made a fake accusation and pulled a topic off the tracks just because you can never admit you are wrong.

1) I was not calling Bowen a pedophile but giving an example of how his racism accusations and the justification for them are groundless. Therefore your reporting of my post was stupid.
2) You said I had been told not to make pedophile accusations. I have never been told that because I have never done that.
3) You were the one told not to make pedophile accusations because that is what you were doing. I was told not to make accusations abut you and cats. Stop mixing the two warnings.


You are just trolling. You know full well what happened and yet you try to spin it. typical. as for your racism - everyone can see it but you and i expect you can see it too but wont admit it.

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Reply #202 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:11am
 
Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
You are more blind than spot when it comes to self reflection. Everything you say is inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical. 


Awww the 'trole' is projecting again . . . . .

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
Muslims do not have a right to tell Australian's how to live. Australians do have a right to tell Muslims how to live... in our country! They want to come here, they have to live by our rules. Same for the Chinese or anyone else who wants to come to this country. If you don't want to live like us, don't come here.


Muslim is a religion not a race or culture.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
That is a part of their culture! They don't do it just for the fun of it. It is ingrained into them. If you don't accept them then by your own definition you are a racist. You can't just pick and chose what cultures you want to be tolerant of and then call anyone who has different choices a racist. 


No it isnt. Its part of their religion. Like the xtians that try to force their views on other ppl.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
Muslims wanting to force others to become Muslim is no different then you forcing people to like multiculturalism. It is obvious that "multiculturalism" is your religion and you will tell everyone who doesn't like it to leave the country.


Muslims trying to force ppl to become muslim is like the rabid xtians that try to force ppl to become xtian.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:13pm:
You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.


Wow and you go telling him that he doesnt understand multiculturalism. Obviously its you that doesnt. Multiculturalism isnt a religion and islam is a religion.

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Reply #203 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am
 
Spot. You are an idiot.

1) I never called anyone a pedophile. That is a lie by you, and something that you have done.
2) culture and race are not the same thing. You can be against multiculturalism and not a racist. Likewise you can respect other cultures that stay in their own country and still be against multiculturalism. You can call me a racist all you want, but you are wrong.
3) Bowen brought up Muslims, hence why I mentioned them. I know Islam is not a race, but you are wrong to say that it is not a culture. Again, you lecture on something you know nothing about.
4) I never claimed multiculturalism is an actual religion. I drew comparisons on how people such as Bowen preach it like a religion. Here is a man who claims to have come to Australia to support multiculturalism. Not because it is financially better for him... That's just a bonus. No he is here to help diversity Australia. He lives for multiculturalism. He preaches multiculturalism. And if anyone has a different opinion he tells them to get out the country - a country he just arrived at. At that point multiculturalism has become like a religion.
5) Again your hatred for Christians comes out. As always it is the people who preach tolerance and unity who are the most hateful. Both you and Bowen in this thread have shown aggression against anyone who doesn't conform to your worldview.
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Reply #204 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:06am
 
quantum you are an idiot.

Quantum wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am:
Spot. You are an idiot.

1) I never called anyone a pedophile. That is a lie by you, and something that you have done.
2) culture and race are not the same thing. You can be against multiculturalism and not a racist. Likewise you can respect other cultures that stay in their own country and still be against multiculturalism. You can call me a racist all you want, but you are wrong.
3) Bowen brought up Muslims, hence why I mentioned them. I know Islam is not a race, but you are wrong to say that it is not a culture. Again, you lecture on something you know nothing about.
4) I never claimed multiculturalism is an actual religion. I drew comparisons on how people such as Bowen preach it like a religion. Here is a man who claims to have come to Australia to support multiculturalism. Not because it is financially better for him... That's just a bonus. No he is here to help diversity Australia. He lives for multiculturalism. He preaches multiculturalism. And if anyone has a different opinion he tells them to get out the country - a country he just arrived at. At that point multiculturalism has become like a religion.
5) Again your hatred for Christians comes out. As always it is the people who preach tolerance and unity who are the most hateful. Both you and Bowen in this thread have shown aggression against anyone who doesn't conform to your worldview.


I never said you did called anyone a paedophile - you are trying to create a strawman. you know what happened as well as i and are just trying to spin it.

Dunno what you are on about the culture and race crap since i said that and you are obviously agreeing with me. you do use it to hide behind though.

Quantum wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am:
You're no smacking different. Islam & Multiculturalism.... The religions of "peace". Accept them, or get the bugger out.


Looks like you are saying multiculturalism is a religion there . . . .

How is it 'hatred of xtians' if i point out its the same thing for the ones that try to push you to join their religion are the same as muslims doing the same? Looks like you are a bit hypocritical there hey?

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Reply #205 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 11:25am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 7:47pm:
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:15pm:
Simplified, If you are citizen of China, you can say you are a Chinese.

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:09pm:
Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:44pm:
The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm:
If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???







Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?








OK, so if you are a citizen of Australia, you are Australia.  Why the bugger are you then banging on about being Chinese. Make up your mind!


But you have already -you are an opportunist.




That's right. Stop talking in Chinese, chows. The old boy prefers French. Or Hun.

The old boy, you see, is a Lutheran. He likes Danish.
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Reply #206 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
Quantum wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am:
2) culture and race are not the same thing. You can be against multiculturalism and not a racist.


Unfortunately, all too often attacks on Multiculturalism are really used as code for attacks on "race".

Monoculturalism has been shown to be a failure around the world.  It was a failure in Australia.   Why would we wish to return to those days?

One should also be careful.  There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism.  They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries.  Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.

In Australia we have tended to have a much more pro-active form of Multiculturalism.  Like all government policies it cannot be said to have been 100%.  However, it has worked for the majority of Australians for the majority of the time, which is really all you can ask of any government policy.
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Reply #207 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:
Quantum wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am:
2) culture and race are not the same thing. You can be against multiculturalism and not a racist.


Unfortunately, all too often attacks on Multiculturalism are really used as code for attacks on "race".

Monoculturalism has been shown to be a failure around the world.  It was a failure in Australia.   Why would we wish to return to those days?

One should also be careful.  There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism.  They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries.  Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.

In Australia we have tended to have a much more pro-active form of Multiculturalism.  Like all government policies it cannot be said to have been 100%.  However, it has worked for the majority of Australians for the majority of the time, which is really all you can ask of any government policy.


In what ways exactly? What made Australia so bad back then that people from all around the world wanted to come here?
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Reply #208 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:
Quantum wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 8:48am:
2) culture and race are not the same thing. You can be against multiculturalism and not a racist.


Unfortunately, all too often attacks on Multiculturalism are really used as code for attacks on "race".

Monoculturalism has been shown to be a failure around the world. 




Really?? Where?

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Reply #209 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:01pm:
One should also be careful.  There is Multiculturalism and then there are other sorts of Multiculturalism.  They may all share the same label but in reality they are very different policies in very different countries.  Some are more lassaire' faire' than others.



You are not very culturally clued in and sensitive and affirming, are you Brain, our resident faire of the lassaire?

You try to sound ominous but in reality you are just pompous and empty. All puffery and hot air. You are not saying anything while your lips are moving, Brain.

If multiculturalism is not cultural laissez-faire, I don't know what it is.
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