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Reply #165 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:43am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:09am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

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There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working.

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No spot. You don't want to answer the question because it shows that your racism accusations are baseless. You are the one trying to make the word race and culture mean the same thing so you can hide behind racism accusations. You are trying to put racism into my words where there is none because you have no other argument. Simply answer the question;

If I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

Yesit does make you racist for several reasons:

1) your track record
2) its a loaded question - you wouldn't ask it of someone that you dont perceive as scottish would you).

SOB

Track record? Loaded question? What a smacking tool you are.

As always spot you can't accept a logical debate. You have to simple ignore anything that shows that you are wrong.

You won't answer the question because it shows the weakness in your racism accusation. Someone can be against multiculturalism but not racist. They are two different things!

To most ppl they are 2 different things. I am actually not too happy with having ppl from different cultures in lil enclaves and not mixing in with the rest of us but you on the other hand are using it as a shield to disguise your racism.

SOB

That it the most unfvckingbelievable thing you have ever said. You are basically saying;

"I agree with your position. But I just know, without any evidence at all, that your reason for having this same position as myself in this matter is wrong".

You are accusing me of racism not because I have said anything racist, but because you just know that my position is based on racism. You admit that culture and race are different, but when I talk about it, you just know I am using that to hide racism.

Let this be proof that you don't read what people say. You just assume their position and go from there.

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Reply #166 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:59am

Your understanding is correct.

It doesn't matter what's their relationship. when the guy says "If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china", he is a obvious racist.

To be honest, your example exactly shows the absurdity of racism.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:48am:

The word according to bowen;

Two identical twins are born in Australia. At the age of 18 ones goes to live in china. He comes home to Australia 20 years latter. He now speaks Chinese and lives like a chinaman. The brother who stayed in Australia say "your back in Australia now, live like an Australian. If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china".

According to Bowen, this man is a racist. Yes, he is being racist... against his identical twin brother.

This is what happens when the radical left get a hold of the dictionary. All words lose all meaning. "Racism", "sexism", "misogyny", "rights"... They all get chucked around so freely that they lose all meaning.

If you speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are a racist. If you don't speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are also a racist. Unless you are loopy left you are racist by default.

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Reply #167 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:10pm

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:59am:

Your understanding is correct.

It doesn't matter what's their relationship. when the guy says "If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china", he is a obvious racist.

To be honest, your example exactly shows the absurdity of racism.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:48am:

The word according to bowen;

Two identical twins are born in Australia. At the age of 18 ones goes to live in china. He comes home to Australia 20 years latter. He now speaks Chinese and lives like a chinaman. The brother who stayed in Australia say "your back in Australia now, live like an Australian. If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china".

According to Bowen, this man is a racist. Yes, he is being racist... against his identical twin brother.

This is what happens when the radical left get a hold of the dictionary. All words lose all meaning. "Racism", "sexism", "misogyny", "rights"... They all get chucked around so freely that they lose all meaning.

If you speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are a racist. If you don't speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are also a racist. Unless you are loopy left you are racist by default.

A man cannot be racist against his identical twin brother by telling him he should go back to speaking in his native language. FFS, you are using the word racist as an attack against anyone who has a different opinion.

You are a chinaman whose English is about equivalent to that of an 8 year old. How about you don't tell native English speakers the meaning of their own words.

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Reply #168 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:11pm

Why not you read the definition of "race" by wikipedia?

Because the disrespect to different culture, It breaks the twins apart when they have the chance to live together. That's what exactly the racists like you did to the Australian society.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:59am:

Your understanding is correct.

It doesn't matter what's their relationship. when the guy says "If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china", he is a obvious racist.

To be honest, your example exactly shows the absurdity of racism.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:48am:

The word according to bowen;

Two identical twins are born in Australia. At the age of 18 ones goes to live in china. He comes home to Australia 20 years latter. He now speaks Chinese and lives like a chinaman. The brother who stayed in Australia say "your back in Australia now, live like an Australian. If you wanted to keep speaking Chinese you should have stayed in china".

According to Bowen, this man is a racist. Yes, he is being racist... against his identical twin brother.

This is what happens when the radical left get a hold of the dictionary. All words lose all meaning. "Racism", "sexism", "misogyny", "rights"... They all get chucked around so freely that they lose all meaning.

If you speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are a racist. If you don't speak to someone irrespective of their race, you are also a racist. Unless you are loopy left you are racist by default.

A man cannot be racist against his identical twin brother by telling him he should go back to speaking in his native language. FFS, you are using the word racist as an attack against anyone who has a different opinion.

You are a chinaman whose English is about equivalent to that of an 8 year old. How about you don't tell native English speakers the meaning of their own words.

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Reply #169 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:24pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:56am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:43am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:09am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working.

SOB

No spot. You don't want to answer the question because it shows that your racism accusations are baseless. You are the one trying to make the word race and culture mean the same thing so you can hide behind racism accusations. You are trying to put racism into my words where there is none because you have no other argument. Simply answer the question;

If I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

Yesit does make you racist for several reasons:

1) your track record
2) its a loaded question - you wouldn't ask it of someone that you dont perceive as scottish would you).

SOB

Track record? Loaded question? What a smacking tool you are.

As always spot you can't accept a logical debate. You have to simple ignore anything that shows that you are wrong.

You won't answer the question because it shows the weakness in your racism accusation. Someone can be against multiculturalism but not racist. They are two different things!

To most ppl they are 2 different things. I am actually not too happy with having ppl from different cultures in lil enclaves and not mixing in with the rest of us but you on the other hand are using it as a shield to disguise your racism.

SOB

That it the most unfvckingbelievable thing you have ever said. You are basically saying;

"I agree with your position. But I just know, without any evidence at all, that your reason for having this same position as myself in this matter is wrong".

You are accusing me of racism not because I have said anything racist, but because you just know that my position is based on racism. You admit that culture and race are different, but when I talk about it, you just know I am using that to hide racism.

Let this be proof that you don't read what people say. You just assume their position and go from there.

Nope i do not agree with your position. I have seen your "position" in other threads.

Seriously there is no valid reason for a chinese person not to eat chinese food or speak chinese living in australia. They should prolly speak english as well though since it would be easier for them.

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Reply #170 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:27pm

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Why not you read the definition of "race" by wikipedia?

Because the disrespect to different culture, It breaks the twins apart when they have the chance to live together. That's what exactly the racists like you did to the Australian society.

You keep calling me a racist because you are changing the word to mean something that it is not.

Fine. Your a pedophile.

Don't get offended. I'm allowed to call you a pedophile. From Wikipedia;

"The word comes from the Greek: παῖς (paîs), meaning "child", and φιλία (philía), "friendly love" or "friendship"

Don't you see how your are a pedophile? Look;

*You just had a baby.
*You love your baby.
*Therefore you love children
*therefore you are a pedophile.

Don't argue. Wikipedia proves you are a pedophile.

Of course any English speaker would know that not all parents are pedophiles just because they love their children. But if we want to just get down to the most basic and broad sense of the word... then yeah they are.

That's the logic you are using to call me a racist. In fact, you have broadened the word so far beyond its actual meaning that even you yourself are a racist by your definition.

You want to talk about human rights? Well you don't have the right to accuse someone of something like racism when they are not. You want to be shown respect? Then stop be so disrespectful by calling people racist just because they don't agree with your vision of society. Do you want to be called a pedophile? No? Then stop calling me a racist by mixing culture and race into one thing.

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Reply #172 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:35pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:24pm: