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Reply #135 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:59am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

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Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:50pm:

I never said the core of Australian culture is Chinese culture only. And I never expect to use Chinese culture to replace Australian culture.

However, with more and more Chinese come to Australia as citizen, more characters of Chinese culture will become part of the core. It's the process of culture evolving.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:40pm:

Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced. The core ain't chinese my friend.

patience my friend. It is a slow process.

Fair enough. But know that when 200,000 people from around the world migrate here every year, this is a transformation on a scale never before seen. When cultural change is forced instead of allowed to gradually evolve, there will be growing pains and a backlash. Not much you or I can do about it. Chalk it up to consequences of the disparity between what the australian people want, and what their power elite give them.

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Reply #136 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

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Reply #137 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:18am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 6:13am:

This is my expectation in Australia. I decided to be an Australian when I made the deal with the government of Australia, no matter what you think.

Both you and me have the rights to live in Australia. I don't care you speak English, eat western food, watch English TV and celebrate Christmas. So I do not need to leave. However, if you can not live with me as your neighbor when I speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and celebrate Chinese New Year, you can leave Australia to find a country that people only speak English, eat western food...blabla

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

It was called Australia. It it's getting buggered up quick smart by selfish people like you who want to have your cake and eat it as well.

You are Chinese. You have made it clear that Chinese culture is traditional and allowed to exist. You want to bring Chinese culture to Australia. At the same time you refuse to admit that Australian culture even exist. So you don't care if it gets destroyed.

The world according to you;
*China for Chinese culture.
*Australia for everyone including Chinese culture.

My culture is getting wiped out. There is nowhere on earth where my culture exist. You of course can always just got back to china. However you want to preserve your culture whilst wiping out mine, and then say I'm the bad guy.

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Reply #138 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:22am

Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism.

If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy?

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

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Reply #139 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country
Please read the paragraph about Culture

That's why I decided to be an Australian.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 6:13am:

This is my expectation in Australia. I decided to be an Australian when I made the deal with the government of Australia, no matter what you think.

Both you and me have the rights to live in Australia. I don't care you speak English, eat western food, watch English TV and celebrate Christmas. So I do not need to leave. However, if you can not live with me as your neighbor when I speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and celebrate Chinese New Year, you can leave Australia to find a country that people only speak English, eat western food...blabla

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

It was called Australia. It it's getting buggered up quick smart by selfish people like you who want to have your cake and eat it as well.

You are Chinese. You have made it clear that Chinese culture is traditional and allowed to exist. You want to bring Chinese culture to Australia. At the same time you refuse to admit that Australian culture even exist. So you don't care if it gets destroyed.

The world according to you;
*China for Chinese culture.
*Australia for everyone including Chinese culture.

My culture is getting wiped out. There is nowhere on earth where my culture exist. You of course can always just got back to china. However you want to preserve your culture whilst wiping out mine, and then say I'm the bad guy.

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Reply #140 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:37am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism.

If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy?

When did I support white Australian policy? I have maintained that I have an issue with multiculturalism because it does not work. You are proof of that. I have never said I am against people because of their race.

You throw words like "human rights" and "racism" around as a way of avoiding the issue. When a nation brings people on mass from other countries and then lets them live just like they did in the second rate countries they came from, then the new host country falls apart.

I would rather hangout with a chinaman that speaks English than a scot that speaks Gaelic. But in your brainwashed "I have human rights" view I would somehow still be a "racist". It doesn't matter than I am white and hanging out with an Asian over another white man, I would still be racist because that's the only argument you have. You simply can't accept that you don't have a consistent view on this issue, and the only support you ever get is from that fvckwit spot who is an even more brainwashed leftwing nut than you are.

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Reply #141 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:47am

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working.

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Reply #142 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:50am

Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one?

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.

When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights.

Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights.

Multiculturalism did not make the country apart. It's racists like you make the country apart.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism.

If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy?

When did I support white Australian policy? I have maintained that I have an issue with multiculturalism because it does not work. You are proof of that. I have never said I am against people because of their race.

You throw words like "human rights" and "racism" around as a way of avoiding the issue. When a nation brings people on mass from other countries and then lets them live just like they did in the second rate countries they came from, then the new host country falls apart.

I would rather hangout with a chinaman that speaks English than a scot that speaks Gaelic. But in your brainwashed "I have human rights" view I would somehow still be a "racist". It doesn't matter than I am white and hanging out with an Asian over another white man, I would still be racist because that's the only argument you have. You simply can't accept that you don't have a consistent view on this issue, and the only support you ever get is from that fvckwit spot who is an even more brainwashed leftwing nut than you are.

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Reply #143 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:51am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

Which shows you have no idea what the hell is going on in western nations. England is more buggered up with multiculturalism than Australia.

People just like you have gone to England with the same attitude of "stuff English culture, I want to take my culture with me" and now that nation has been ruined.

And for the last time, Australian culture and English culture are not the same. The fact that you keep ignoring this point, the fact that you keep pretending that Australian culture doesn't exist, the more you are showing what a self centered bigoted bastard you are. You throw the words like "racist" around, but you can't even see what a racist jerk you are. In your eyes, all whites are the same. White English, white Australian, no difference according to Bowen. But of course if one was to say that the Japanese and Chinese are the same, after all they are all Asian, that would be "racist".

You have come to the country I was born in and have insisted that I respect the culture you bring whilst also insisting that my culture doesn't exist. You demand respect yet show none.

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http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country
Please read the paragraph about Culture

That's why I decided to be an Australian.

No, you decided to live in Australia. You did not decided to be an Australian. Had you decided to be an Australian you would stop living like you were still back in china.

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Reply #144 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:57am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:50am:

Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one?

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.

When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights.

Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights.

And where did Yadda mention anything about white Australia policy? He mentioned nothing about race at all.

I agree with what Yadda said. Australia was a great nation that people wanted to be a part of. Old immigrants came to Australia because it was great. They wanted to be Australian. Modern immigrants like you just want to live here whilst not being Australian. That's what is destroying this country. It is not your facial features, it is the second rate culture that you bring that is destroying the great culture that we had.

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Reply #145 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:01am

Oh, there is not a country with pure English culture now. You can not find such a country already. I believe it's the time for you to recognize that, a pure culture society is not exist.

If you go to Beijing, Shanghai, or even some smaller Chinese cities, you will find, It's almost a western city. Even in Muslim country, you can find Dubai which has so much characters of western culture.

Why you refuse to look at the world?

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:51am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

Which shows you have no idea what the hell is going on in western nations. England is more buggered up with multiculturalism than Australia.

People just like you have gone to England with the same attitude of "stuff English culture, I want to take my culture with me" and now that nation has been ruined.

And for the last time, Australian culture and English culture are not the same. The fact that you keep ignoring this point, the fact that you keep pretending that Australian culture doesn't exist, the more you are showing what a self centered bigoted bastard you are. You throw the words like "racist" around, but you can't even see what a racist jerk you are. In your eyes, all whites are the same. White English, white Australian, no difference according to Bowen. But of course if one was to say that the Japanese and Chinese are the same, after all they are all Asian, that would be "racist".

You have come to the country I was born in and have insisted that I respect the culture you bring whilst also insisting that my culture doesn't exist. You demand respect yet show none.

Quote:

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country
Please read the paragraph about Culture

That's why I decided to be an Australian.

No, you decided to live in Australia. You did not decided to be an Australian. Had you decided to be an Australian you would stop living like you were still back in china.

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Reply #146 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working.

SOB

No spot. You don't want to answer the question because it shows that your racism accusations are baseless. You are the one trying to make the word race and culture mean the same thing so you can hide behind racism accusations. You are trying to put racism into my words where there is none because you have no other argument. Simply answer the question;

If I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

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Reply #147 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:03am

Ha, you do not stand for "White Australia Policy", but you love the society in 1950s-1960s under "White Australia Policy" very much.

SOB got the point, you just hide your racism behind the word culture.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:50am:

Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one?

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.

When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights.

Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights.

And where did Yadda mention anything about white Australia policy? He mentioned nothing about race at all.

I agree with what Yadda said. Australia was a great nation that people wanted to be a part of. Old immigrants came to Australia because it was great. They wanted to be Australian. Modern immigrants like you just want to live here whilst not being Australian. That's what is destroying this country. It is not your facial features, it is the second rate culture that you bring that is destroying the great culture that we had.

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Reply #148 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:05am

It depends on the reason that why you ask him to go back to Scotland. If it's because you can not live with his scotch culture, yes, you are a racism.

For example, if someone ask you to go back to Scotland because you play bagpipes in public, the guy is a racist.

And existing example is about the french girl. The guys ask her to leave only because she sing in French. They are racists obviously.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:02am:

If I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

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Reply #149 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:06am

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

Oh, there is not a country with pure English culture now. You can not find such a country already. I believe it's the time for you to recognize that, a pure culture society is not exist.

If you go to Beijing, Shanghai, or even some smaller Chinese cities, you will find, It's almost a western city. Even in Muslim country, you can find Dubai which has so much characters of western culture.

Why you refuse to look at the world?

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:51am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

Which shows you have no idea what the hell is going on in western nations. England is more buggered up with multiculturalism than Australia.

People just like you have gone to England with the same attitude of "stuff English culture, I want to take my culture with me" and now that nation has been ruined.

And for the last time, Australian culture and English culture are not the same. The fact that you keep ignoring this point, the fact that you keep pretending that Australian culture doesn't exist, the more you are showing what a self centered bigoted bastard you are. You throw the words like "racist" around, but you can't even see what a racist jerk you are. In your eyes, all whites are the same. White English, white Australian, no difference according to Bowen. But of course if one was to say that the Japanese and Chinese are the same, after all they are all Asian, that would be "racist".

You have come to the country I was born in and have insisted that I respect the culture you bring whilst also insisting that my culture doesn't exist. You demand respect yet show none.

Quote:

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country
Please read the paragraph about Culture

That's why I decided to be an Australian.

No, you decided to live in Australia. You did not decided to be an Australian. Had you decided to be an Australian you would stop living like you were still back in china.

Then stop speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, and living like a chinaman. According you you culture doesn't exist anymore so why do you hold on to your old ways?

Oh that's right... You are Asian so you are allowed to hold onto your culture. I'm white so my culture doesn't exist.

You are a racist Bowen. And the more this conversation goes on the more both you and spot are showing your true colours. You accuse others of racism to avoid the actual debate, but when it comes down to it, both of you have no respect for white civilizations.

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