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Reply #105 - May 31^st, 2013 at 10:58pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

The Chinese are their own race now?

You really are blinded by your own bias. Every point you make can be used against you. Your only reply is to say 'that different' because you don't want to face the fact that that your arguments don't make sense.

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Reply #106 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:09pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?

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Reply #107 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:15pm

Simplified, If you are citizen of China, you can say you are a Chinese.

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:09pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?

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Reply #108 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm

Chinese is an English word. Chinese do not call themselves as Chinese.

In English, Chinese represent a race some times. Right?

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

The Chinese are their own race now?

You really are blinded by your own bias. Every point you make can be used against you. Your only reply is to say 'that different' because you don't want to face the fact that that your arguments don't make sense.

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Reply #111 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian.

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Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

If I went to China, what would I be?

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Reply #113 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:22pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

If I went to China, what would I be?

I am australian. So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

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Reply #114 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:23pm

No, my real meaning is while Aboriginals are Australian, and Aboriginals has their own culture. Aboriginal culture is a part of Australian culture.

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Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no.

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Reply #115 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:25pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

The word "Aboriginal" has multiple senses. When Aboriginal means a race, they are not Australian. When Aboriginal means citizenship, they are Australian.

However, Aboriginal is not a concept of citizenship. There is not a country called "Aboriginal".

This argument should convince you, it is your own argument.

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Reply #116 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:26pm

Yes, if you are a citizen of China, there is no problem you say you are a Chinese.

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Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

If I went to China, what would I be?

I am australian. So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

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Reply #117 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:27pm

Is there a race called "Australian"? No one is Australian when we talk about race.

For example, your race is not Australian too. Your race is European, maybe English or Scotch or called Anglo-Saxon.

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:25pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

The word "Aboriginal" has multiple senses. When Aboriginal means a race, they are not Australian. When Aboriginal means citizenship, they are Australian.

However, Aboriginal is not a concept of citizenship. There is not a country called "Aboriginal".

This argument should convince you, it is your own argument.

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Reply #118 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:30pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:23pm:

No, my real meaning is while Aboriginals are Australian, and Aboriginals has their own culture. Aboriginal culture is a part of Australian culture.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no.

Sure, it is contained within australias total cultural output. But then, so is every kind of sub culture - hippy, goth, paedophile, chinese etc. When we refer to a particular culture, we don't define it by it's fringe elements, we define it by it's core.

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Reply #119 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:31pm

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Yes, if you are a citizen of China, there is no problem you say you are a Chinese.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:22pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian.

... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

If I went to China, what would I be?

I am australian. So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

But if you get to be a chinese australian here, why can't I be an australian chinese there?

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