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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #15 - May 11^th, 2013 at 1:05pm Which what? Hadith? I gave an example in my post. Stoning.
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Reply #16 - May 11^th, 2013 at 2:15pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

The plural of hadith is not hadiths it is hadeeth, you are showing your ignorance with Islam yet again.

It is you who show your ignorance. The plural of hadith is ahadith.

Ahadith is another way of saying it.

Are you saying all the muslims who run these websites are ignorant about Islam and you being a revert (Christians use the word convert) to Islam know it all?

www.hadeeth.webs.com

www.haqislam.org/articles/hadeeth/

www.fatwa-online.com/classicalbooks/hadeeth/0000101.htm

www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/

www.islamtomorrow.com/hadeeth.htm

www.muslimtents.com/muslimguide/13-hadeeth.html

www.inter-islam.org/hadeeth/hadeethdex.htm

There are a lot more out there, are they all ignorant about Islam?

Did you read the 600 page Qadri fatwa outlawing Islamic terror?
If Islamic terror is haram then why is there a need for a 600 page fatwa to outlaw it?
On page 6 of the Fatwa Qadri took 5:32 out of context, why do muslims always leave out the first bit which says we decreed upon the children of Israel, is it because that verse does not apply to muslims and it applies to the filthy Yahud?
www.quran.com/5/32

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #17 - May 11^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

much of the brutality practiced in the name of Islam stems from ahadith. Stoning is the most extreme practice supported by hadith that contradicts the Quran that I am aware of. They should probably start with that one. That being said, this won't go down very well with the extremists; I predict an outpouring of Rashdie-esque fatwas in the near future

I think they should start with death for apostasy, Islam and the Mafia are the only cults in 2013 that execute people for the crime of leaving.

Before political correctness changed it to extremists they were called fundamentalists.

Death to Salamn Rushdie for a book,Theo Van Gogh was killed by a muslim for a movie and we saw the riots that came from cartoons and we even had muslims rioting in Australia over a youtube video that had nothing to do with us.
Islam = ideological thuggery.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51908 At my desk.	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #18 - May 11^th, 2013 at 2:32pm To remove all confusion, it is best to refer to them as a hadeeths, which can be shortened to hadiths.
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Reply #19 - May 11^th, 2013 at 3:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

much of the brutality practiced in the name of Islam stems from ahadith. Stoning is the most extreme practice supported by hadith that contradicts the Quran that I am aware of. They should probably start with that one. That being said, this won't go down very well with the extremists; I predict an outpouring of Rashdie-esque fatwas in the near future

I think they should start with death for apostasy, Islam and the Mafia are the only cults in 2013 that execute people for the crime of leaving.

Really? Some very interesting cases at the moment surrounding Scientology and other cults, including Christian ones such as "The Brotherhood". I wouldn't BTW classify the "mafia" as a "cult". Roll Eyes

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Before political correctness changed it to extremists they were called fundamentalists.

Once people realised the difference, the language changed. You got a problem with calling a spade a spade? Roll Eyes

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Death to Salamn Rushdie for a book,Theo Van Gogh was killed by a muslim for a movie and we saw the riots that came from cartoons and we even had muslims rioting in Australia over a youtube video that had nothing to do with us.
Islam = ideological thuggery.

Funny, I wonder how you can confuse the worship of Kali for the worship of Islam?

You appear to believe though, in guilt by association. One Muslim commits a crime, suddenly all Muslims are to be held responsible? This equates to the anti-Semitic idea that all Jews today are responsible for anything one Jew may have done? Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - May 11^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

To remove all confusion, it is best to refer to them as a hadeeths, which can be shortened to hadiths.

You can do as you like. I'll continue to refer to them how I was taught.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

much of the brutality practiced in the name of Islam stems from ahadith. Stoning is the most extreme practice supported by hadith that contradicts the Quran that I am aware of. They should probably start with that one. That being said, this won't go down very well with the extremists; I predict an outpouring of Rashdie-esque fatwas in the near future

I think they should start with death for apostasy, Islam and the Mafia are the only cults in 2013 that execute people for the crime of leaving.

Weird. I left Islam yet I'm still here to talk about it. Perhaps 'they' just haven't found me yet or maybe 'they' are just relieved that I'm gone. Regardless, a good number of my closest friends are Muslim - I've never felt judged let alone threatened.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51908 At my desk.	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #21 - May 11^th, 2013 at 4:49pm Quote: Weird. I left Islam yet I'm still here to talk about it. Perhaps 'they' just haven't found me yet or maybe 'they' are just relieved that I'm gone. As Abu explained, you have to do all the appropriate paperwork first. You can't just string people up from the nearest tree. That would be unIslamic.
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Reply #22 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:48pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

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Weird. I left Islam yet I'm still here to talk about it. Perhaps 'they' just haven't found me yet or maybe 'they' are just relieved that I'm gone.

As Abu explained, you have to do all the appropriate paperwork first. You can't just string people up from the nearest tree. That would be unIslamic.

And of course Abu was the best authority available on what is or isn't Islamic, FD? Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #23 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:49pm Thats funny, I thought you just had to criticise the prophet and off goes your head. Regardless of whether you "left islam" or not.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51908 At my desk.	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #24 - May 11^th, 2013 at 6:35pm I recall once that Abu argued that the "acting gay" would attract the penalty, as it is sufficiently outside of what Islam tolerates for the perpetrator to know it is wrong.
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Reply #25 - May 11^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

I recall once that Abu argued that the "acting gay" would attract the penalty, as it is sufficiently outside of what Islam tolerates for the perpetrator to know it is wrong.

How is this different compared to what many Christian fundamentalists say and do about people who "act Gay", FD?

There are ignorant and ill-informed people in all religions but you turn a blind-eye continuously to any but the Muslims... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51908 At my desk.	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #26 - May 11^th, 2013 at 7:34pm Quote: How is this different compared to what many Christian fundamentalists say and do about people who "act Gay", FD? Jesus didn't chop anyone's head off?
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Reply #27 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:32pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 7:34pm:

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How is this different compared to what many Christian fundamentalists say and do about people who "act Gay", FD?

Jesus didn't chop anyone's head off?

Jesus may not have but plenty of his followers have.

One only has to see the current issue of Gay Marriage to see what the more fundamentalists believe WRT "acting Gay".

And yes, many Muslims are homophobic too. They are just as wrong about that as are the Christians and the Hindus and the Buddhists, etc., etc. homophobes.

However, not all Muslims believe that.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51908 At my desk.	Re: The Hadiths re-examined Reply #28 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:13am Quote: One only has to see the current issue of Gay Marriage to see what the more fundamentalists believe WRT "acting Gay". Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Abbott called for their heads to be chopped off.
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Reply #29 - May 12^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

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One only has to see the current issue of Gay Marriage to see what the more fundamentalists believe WRT "acting Gay".

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Abbott called for their heads to be chopped off.

Abbot is only one commentator, FD.

Perhaps you should try reading Cory Bernardi or Fred Nile instead?

There are plenty of homophobes who'd be quite happy to do that sort of thing. Obviously you've never heard of "gay bashing". Some people get murdered because of their sexuality and the murderers are funnily enough, Christians... Roll Eyes

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