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Hemispheric warming, not global warming
Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

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Reply #1 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:56am

From the link above

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A paper published today in The Cryosphere finds Antarctica has been gaining surface ice and snow accumulation over the past 150+ years, and finds acceleration in some areas noting, “a clear increase in accumulation of more than 10% has occurred in high Surface Mass Balance coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s

1.Over 800 years, Antarctic ice changes all the time, but current rates of change are not unusual. The surface mass balance (SMB) “changes over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible.” The “current SMB is not exceptionally high compared to the last 800 yr.”
2.The times with highest accumulation (1370s and 1610s) match records of solar radiation.
3.Since 1960 the ice and snow accumulation has increased by 10% in high SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic divide.

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Eight hundred years of stacked records of the SMB mimic the total solar irradiance during the 13th and 18th centuries. The link between those two variables is probably indirect and linked to a teleconnection in atmospheric circulation that forces complex feedback between the tropical Pacific and Antarctica via the generation and propagation of a large-scale atmospheric wave train.

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“The SMB of the grounded AIS is approximately 2100 Gt yr−1, with a large interannual variability. Those changes can be as large as 300 Gt yr−1 and represent approximately 6% of the 1989–2009 average (Van den Broeke et al., 2011).”

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Reply #2 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

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Re: Hemispheric warming, not global warming
Reply #3 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

Still waiting monkey boy..........

« Last Edit: Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:01am by progressiveslol »

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Reply #4 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

its your responsibility to be up to speed with the facts

If the high school level science that validated the Anthropogenic Global Warming mechanism on earth as far back as 35 years ago, is too complicated for you to understand then perhaps you should involve yourself with another topic that is a little simpler to understand - like geometry or the times table

cheers

(you could start with a brilliant paper by the Nobel prize winning Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius - who performed the first AGW calculations in 1895)

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Re: Hemispheric warming, not global warming
Reply #5 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:08am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

its your responsibility to be up to speed with the facts

If the high school level science that validated the Anthropogenic Global Warming mechanism on earth as far back as 35 years ago, is too complicated for you to understand then perhaps you should involve yourself with another topic that is a little simpler to understand - like geometry or the times table

cheers

(you could start with a brilliant paper by the Nobel prize winning Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius - who performed the first AGW calculations in 1895)

Yeh didnt think you had anything at all, but thanks for trying.

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Reply #6 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

its your responsibility to be up to speed with the facts

If the high school level science that validated the Anthropogenic Global Warming mechanism on earth as far back as 35 years ago, is too complicated for you to understand then perhaps you should involve yourself with another topic that is a little simpler to understand - like geometry or the times table

cheers

(you could start with a brilliant paper by the Nobel prize winning Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius - who performed the first AGW calculations in 1895)

Yeh didnt think you had anything at all, but thanks for trying.

You welcome - it really wasn't all that much.

I hope that my advice will lead you to grabbling with some of the simpler scientific concepts such as HEAT and WEIGHT.

Take it easy initially and work your way up to more challenging scientific concepts such as gravity and bows and arrows

good luck with your struggle to allow the truth from contaminating your corporatized Denialist stance

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Re: Hemispheric warming, not global warming
Reply #7 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:33pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

its your responsibility to be up to speed with the facts

If the high school level science that validated the Anthropogenic Global Warming mechanism on earth as far back as 35 years ago, is too complicated for you to understand then perhaps you should involve yourself with another topic that is a little simpler to understand - like geometry or the times table

cheers

(you could start with a brilliant paper by the Nobel prize winning Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius - who performed the first AGW calculations in 1895)

Yeh didnt think you had anything at all, but thanks for trying.

You welcome - it really wasn't all that much.

I hope that my advice will lead you to grabbling with some of the simpler scientific concepts such as HEAT and WEIGHT.

Take it easy initially and work your way up to more challenging scientific concepts such as gravity and bows and arrows

good luck with your struggle to allow the truth from contaminating your corporatized Denialist stance

Well you dont get everything wrong

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it really wasn't all that much

You arent fooling anyone with not linking your opinion to scientific fact. Lameos like you are easily spoted when you dont give a link to anything. Now you can disagree, but just because you say "oh you are wrong and BTW, you need to do a full scale research on everything climate to figure out what the bugger I am on about", tells everyone you are nothing but an insignificant child on an adults website.

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Reply #8 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:33pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Antarctica gaining Ice Mass — and is not extraordinary compared to 800 years of data

For the Rabbitt and MOTR's who want to argue that Antartica is also losing ice mass. It would seem it is gaining ice mass and sea ice extent. Game over for your argument guys

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/antarctic/Antarctic-ice-balance-A.gif

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraord...

You don't understand the mechanism involved of how warmer Antarctic waters can melt the deeper ice underneath which can lead to ice growth on the surface.

You should research the matter a little more deeply

I think its called science - how you ever come across this word before?

Do tell monkey...
waiting.....

its your responsibility to be up to speed with the facts

If the high school level science that validated the Anthropogenic Global Warming mechanism on earth as far back as 35 years ago, is too complicated for you to understand then perhaps you should involve yourself with another topic that is a little simpler to understand - like geometry or the times table

cheers

(you could start with a brilliant paper by the Nobel prize winning Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius - who performed the first AGW calculations in 1895)

Yeh didnt think you had anything at all, but thanks for trying.

You welcome - it really wasn't all that much.

I hope that my advice will lead you to grabbling with some of the simpler scientific concepts such as HEAT and WEIGHT.

Take it easy initially and work your way up to more challenging scientific concepts such as gravity and bows and arrows

good luck with your struggle to allow the truth from contaminating your corporatized Denialist stance

Well you dont get everything wrong

Quote:

it really wasn't all that much

You arent fooling anyone with not linking your opinion to scientific fact. Lameos like you are easily spoted when you dont give a link to anything. Now you can disagree, but just because you say "oh you are wrong and BTW, you need to do a full scale research on everything climate to figure out what the bugger I am on about", tells everyone you are nothing but an insignificant child on an adults website.

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

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Reply #9 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:17pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/funny-monkey-1.jpg

Go for it monkey. Should be interesting with you trying to avoid explaining Antarctica growing ice mass and sea ice extent.

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Reply #10 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/funny-monkey-1.jpg

Go for it monkey. Should be interesting with you trying to avoid explaining Antarctica growing ice mass and sea ice extent.

Not that I expect you to read these articles, but here goes - miracles do happen!

And they are written in very simple, easily understood language.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23339-antarctic-ice-grows-as-climate-warms...

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Reply #11 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/funny-monkey-1.jpg

Go for it monkey. Should be interesting with you trying to avoid explaining Antarctica growing ice mass and sea ice extent.

Not that I expect you to read these articles, but here goes - miracles do happen!

And they are written in very simple, easily understood language.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23339-antarctic-ice-grows-as-climate-warms...

You arent too bright. You say I will not read your (pathetic really as it is a) theory article.

I supply scientific fact (a paper) and you give this crap(vague thought up theory). If you read what I supplied, it doesnt talk of shelf ice, it talks of continental surface ice mass. SMB, not shelf mass balance.

Now explain to me what shelf ice melting has got anything to do with continental ice shown in the graph and written in the paper.

To help you distinguish between the 2, look at the wording carefully from your article and with any hope that you have comprehension skills, you will see the error of your ways

Quote:

The reason, say Richard Bintanja and colleagues at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, is that the deep warm water is melting the shelves of floating ice that extend from the continent

« Last Edit: Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:24pm by progressiveslol »

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Reply #12 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:28pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/funny-monkey-1.jpg

Go for it monkey. Should be interesting with you trying to avoid explaining Antarctica growing ice mass and sea ice extent.

Not that I expect you to read these articles, but here goes - miracles do happen!

And they are written in very simple, easily understood language.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23339-antarctic-ice-grows-as-climate-warms...

You arent too bright. You say I will not read your (pathetic really as it is a) theory article.

I supply scientific fact (a paper) and you give this crap(vague thought up theory). If you read what I supplied, it doesnt talk of shelf ice, it talks of inland ice mass. SMB, not shelf mass balance.

Now explain to me what shelf ice melting has got anything to do with continental ice shown in the graph and written in the paper.

To help you distinguish between the 2, look at the wording carefully from your article and with any hope that you have comprehension skills, you will see the error of your ways

Quote:

The reason, say Richard Bintanja and colleagues at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, is that the deep warm water is melting the shelves of floating ice that extend from the continent

I will get back to you in early September sometime - I haven't discussed science before with someone who has a less than High school level science background.

At least it seems as though you can read more than 5 words consecutively - I will start from there and get back to you

Maybe the Society for the Mentally challenged or the Institute of pseudophilic sociopaths has a kit I can get sent out that may help with your obvious neuro-psychotic deformities

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Re: Hemispheric warming, not global warming
Reply #13 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:30pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

Good luck with that!

http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/funny-monkey-1.jpg

Go for it monkey. Should be interesting with you trying to avoid explaining Antarctica growing ice mass and sea ice extent.

Not that I expect you to read these articles, but here goes - miracles do happen!

And they are written in very simple, easily understood language.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23339-antarctic-ice-grows-as-climate-warms...

You arent too bright. You say I will not read your (pathetic really as it is a) theory article.

I supply scientific fact (a paper) and you give this crap(vague thought up theory). If you read what I supplied, it doesnt talk of shelf ice, it talks of inland ice mass. SMB, not shelf mass balance.

Now explain to me what shelf ice melting has got anything to do with continental ice shown in the graph and written in the paper.

To help you distinguish between the 2, look at the wording carefully from your article and with any hope that you have comprehension skills, you will see the error of your ways

Quote:

The reason, say Richard Bintanja and colleagues at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, is that the deep warm water is melting the shelves of floating ice that extend from the continent

I will get back to you in early September sometime - I haven't discussed science before with someone who has a less than High school level science background.

At least it seems as though you can read more than 5 words consecutively - I will start from there and get back to you

Maybe the Society for the Mentally challenged or the Institute of pseudophilic sociopaths has a kit I can get sent out that may help with your obvious neuro-psychotic deformities

Good for you. Come back when you get a clue. September may be too short a time frame.

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Reply #14 - Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:36pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

[quote author=smcgill link=1366152431/9#9 date=1366201041][quote author=Chimp_Logic link=1366152431/8#8 date=1366199288]
describe the natural mechanism that accounts for the rapid warming rate the earth has experienced over the past 6 or 7 decades

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I will get back to you in early September sometime - I haven't discussed science before with someone who has a less than High school level science background.

At least it seems as though you can read more than 5 words consecutively - I will start from there and get back to you

Maybe the Society for the Mentally challenged or the Institute of pseudophilic sociopaths has a kit I can get sent out that may help with your obvious neuro-psychotic deformities

Good for you. Come back when you get a clue. September may be too short a time frame.

I may be able to return and educate you before September, maybe around mid July.

But you will have to continue taking your medication and be diligent in attending your therapy sessions.

Did the cranial surgery go well?

How is Dr Wilson?

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