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Spat over women in Parliament (again)..
Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:24pm

On ABC's 7.30 tonight, there was discussion of a stoush over the pre-selection of a man to fill the shoes of Nicola Roxon, who has resigned - with many saying it should have automatically gone to a woman again.

I personally find such an approach abhorrent - since the right of pre-selection remains or should properly remain with the branch that person represents - an issue that even Julia Gillard - who benefited massively from Labor's demanded 40% men, 40% women and 20% open - said was a wrong turn by Labor in the past that she would see right. i.e. a return to pre-selection in the hands of the rank and file and NOT the power brokers at Party Central placing THEIR candidate by imposition from above.

So - when this actually occurs and the will of the people says differently from the hardened ideologues who actually believe in enforced representation as being democratic - the entire process is vilified and called undemocratic, since a (gasps) MAN was pre-selected in a safe seat.

What say ye - Members of The House? Roll Eyes

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80208 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:26pm Fill out the poll - ye Sassenachs!
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:35pm Quote: "I personally find such an approach abhorrent" As do I. Voted accordingly. Labor's blatant feminist agenda is but one of the things that's turned me off them.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #3 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 9:37am Emilys List... pathetic.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #4 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 10:40am I voted 'no' but to clarify I mean the candidate should not be selected just because she is female but on merit. (so technically it could go to a woman again)
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #5 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 2:09am I must admit, though, that my first thought upon reading the thread title was that someone had hawked-up a couple of nice big green 'gollies' and deposited them on Gillard or Roxoff or someone...
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #6 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:39am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:26pm: Fill out the poll - ye Sassenachs! There is no maybe or dont care. I dont care which gender is in the seat. Obviously others dont either. SOB
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #7 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 9:48am I voted no but only in the context of the thread, but the word being left out of the poll "automatically"
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Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again)..
Reply #8 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 10:44am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

Fill out the poll - ye Sassenachs!

There is no maybe or dont care. I dont care which gender is in the seat. Obviously others dont either.

SOB

Depends upon the reasons. It shouldn't be filled just based on gender (affirmative action) but on the merits of the candidate.

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Reply #9 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:06am

Swagman wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 4:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

Fill out the poll - ye Sassenachs!

There is no maybe or dont care. I dont care which gender is in the seat. Obviously others dont either.

SOB

Depends upon the reasons. It shouldn't be filled just based on gender (affirmative action) but on the merits of the candidate.

Thats right. However the poll is asking us to choose based completely on gender.

PS did you get back to that other thread?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #10 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:52pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:06am: PS did you get back to that other thread ..being?
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Reply #11 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

PS did you get back to that other thread

..being?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365459525/17

Post number 17. You need to acknowledge it so you can stop saying all ppl have to do is "get a job" and realise there arent enough jobs to go around.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Spat over women in Parliament (again).. Reply #12 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:08pm Acknowledge what? That if you want a job you can get a job? I'll stand by that. Anyway I made my reply...
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Reply #13 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

PS did you get back to that other thread

..being?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365459525/17

Post number 17. You need to acknowledge it so you can stop saying all ppl have to do is "get a job" and realise there arent enough jobs to go around.

SOB

And I heard on the news this morning that the jobless rate
is UP, so that's even less jobs to go around.

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Reply #14 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:50pm

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

PS did you get back to that other thread

..being?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365459525/17

Post number 17. You need to acknowledge it so you can stop saying all ppl have to do is "get a job" and realise there arent enough jobs to go around.

SOB

And I heard on the news this morning that the jobless rate
is UP, so that's even less jobs to go around.

Yes harder but not impossible. That is the point.

I've never seen a zero unemployment stat yet have always managed to get a job. Some times you have to move around
to where the jobs are or be pro-active and apply direct without any job ads or take a job that you don't like but at the end of the day if you really want a job you will get a job.

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Question: Shld Roxon's seat pre-select have gone to a woman by right?
Yes 0 (0.0%) No 1 (33.3%) On merit alone 2 (66.7%) Don't care 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 3 « Created by: Grappler Truth Teller Feller on: Apr 14^th, 2013 at 1:47pm »