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Reply #60 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:11pm:

Yes, old boy, but you shouldn’t knock the customers, as it were. Think of all the sh!t you could dish up to them.

Delicious, nutricious, and a potential cash cow.

Bon apetite!

I am dishing it up. You are gobbling it up. You are the customer base for sh!it sandwiches. I am just pointing out to you where you can have your feed, you sad old poof.

Come come, old chap, don’t be so modest. We’ve all seen you, squatting and straining over the
plate. You make a real effort so that all your customers can go away feeling satisfied.

And we do, dear boy. Keep it up.

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Reply #61 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:21am

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

Think about it,

think about what motivated the actions of 'persons', which resulted in what is displayed in those 'graphic' images in post #33.

Those acts are occurring everyday around the world, particularly in moslem majority jurisdictions [N. Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Indonesia, in Australia the 'wanna-be' Holsworthy barracks terror plot].

Those acts of mayhem and terrorism were all planned and conducted by moslems, against others who don't believe what they believe.....

Google;

hostage killings in Nigeria 'cold blooded murder'

But what about ISLAM's direct responsibility in inspiring this latest slaughter of 'disbelievers' in Nigeria ?

Will the media make the connection between these acts of slaughtering infidels, and the inspiration for such acts that are found within ISLAMIC texts ???

e.g.
In what sense are those Jihadists in Nigeria, fighting for ISLAM, and for Allah's cause ????

What could possibly be motivating moslems in Nigeria, to slaughter those 'disbelievers' who came into their power [i.e. non-moslem captives] ?

FROM AN ISLAMIC 'SCHOLAR' AND 'ACADEMIC', PROMOTING THE 'VIRTUE' OF ISLAM /sarc off
Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

Sayyid Qutb

Quote:

"......He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #62 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:17am Y, maybe you could post some pictures of the dead bodies in remembrance. It would put the debate into context and help the grieving relatives come to terms with such pointless death.
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Reply #63 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:46am

Karnal wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

Y, maybe you could post some pictures of the dead bodies in remembrance. It would put the debate into context and help the grieving relatives come to terms with such pointless death.

#1,
OK.
But can you provide me with a link to the pic's ?, and then i will post them for you.

#2,
Then you do agree that such slaughtering of other human beings [not unlike themselves] is senseless, and unfathomable ?

p.s.
Your efforts re #2, would be better effected if such sensibilities [your own] were directed to the local followers of that death cult, ISLAM.....

"Hey! Why do you moslems persist in 'conducting' such pointless deaths [i.e. the slaughtering], of people who do not believe what you believe ?"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #64 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 10:30am Good question, Y. Why are people so mean to each other? What's the best solution? Do you think we should murder them all before they murder us? Where shall we start? The Malaysians? We could liberate all the GLBTs.
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Reply #65 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 10:53am

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

Y, maybe you could post some pictures of the dead bodies in remembrance.

It would put the debate into context and help the grieving relatives come to terms with such pointless death.

#1,
OK.
But can you provide me with a link to the pic's ?, and then i will post them for you.

#2,
Then you do agree that such slaughtering of other human beings [not unlike themselves] is senseless, and unfathomable ?

p.s.
Your efforts re #2, would be better effected if such sensibilities [your own] were directed to the local followers of that death cult, ISLAM.....

"Hey! Why do you moslems persist in 'conducting' such pointless deaths [i.e. the slaughtering], of people who do not believe what you believe ?"

Questions K,

#1,
Should we be outraged and offended that moslems will JUSTIFY the slaughter of other human beings who do not believe what they believe ?

OR,

#2,
Should we be outraged and offended because i am willing to show you the images of those human beings who were slaughtered by moslems ?

Human beings who were slaughtered by moslems, because they [those other human beings] did not believe what moslems believe ?

K,

What is the greatest evil ?

To do evil ?

OR, to point to the evil, and ask 'why' ?

Why are we tolerating people [living among us] who want to do this ?

Because i criticise an evil philosophy, which sanctions the slaughter of other human beings, i am condemned by you, K.

Aren't i ???

Whereas, ISLAM gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.

And you choose to give the moslems [who live among us] a 'pass'.

In effect, you are saying that moslems may murder and slaughter those who 'offend' then, WITHOUT ANY CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF.

Why is that, K ?

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Reply #66 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:18am

I don't know, Y. I'm still wondering how we can smuggle the suicide vests into Malaysia. Should we charter a boat? Maybe we could turn up to Malaysia, claim asylum, live in the community for a few years, and then - presto - press the ignition and take out a few.

No, that wouldn't work - Malaysia isn't a signatory to the UNHCR. They'd just leave us festering in our makeshift huts.

Could we hijack a plane and fly it into KL's World Trade Centre? Talk about symbolic. We could get the Malays back for September 11.

Nice idea, but the new security measures make it pretty hard. I can't even get a pair of nail clippers onto a plane these days.

How about assassins? We could get a few highly educated spies to apply for jobs in the Malaysian civil service, work their way up until they're in Anwar Ibrahim's office, then - when he least expects it - pull out the blade and get to work.

I like this idea. Problem is, we'd only be getting a few at a time. To be successful, we need to take out ALL the Malaysians, and there are quite a few.

What's the best way do you think?

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Reply #67 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:20am

FACT;

ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.

FACT;

Moslems choose to belong to, and to associate themselves with, ISLAM.

FROM ISLAMIC LAW

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Q.
Why do moslems want to embrace a philosophy which declares that it is 'lawful' for moslems to slaughter other human beings, who do not believe what they believe ?

Q.
And consequently, why should i give any moslem a 'pass' ?

I don't.

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Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
Reply #68 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:45am

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

FACT;

ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.

Ah yes, but SECURITY and the WAR ON TERROR gives us the sanction to murder other human beings who do not believe what we believe - particularly about hommoersexuals and the pace of Islamic reform.

Well actually, Malaysia's prime minister agrees with you on hommersexuals, but that's not the point. Anwar ibrahim agrees on the need for reform, but that's not the point either.

The point is these people are Moslems and must be killed. Anyone who disagrees with this is on their side and is considered to be the lowest of the low.

I'm not sure what the punishment for them should be - Eternity in hell?

FACT.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22306 A cat with a view	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #69 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:49am Karnal wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:45am: Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:20am: FACT; ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe. ....The point is these people are Moslems and must be killed. <-------- n.b. Karnal said.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #70 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:53am Exactly. Which means we should all be killed. The Moslems, the appeasers, the lowest of the low, along with everyone else who gets in the firing line. I hope Jesus returns soon, Y. I'm sure He'll put a stop to all this nonsense.
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Reply #71 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:02pm

about what % of muslims in a place like pakistan , do you reckon, would try to physically harm you if you said something derogatory about the prophet?

i'd just have a wild guess and say 50 % (probably about 50,000,000 people (thats a guesstimate)

about what % of christians would try to physically harm you in a catholic place like say the phillipines, if you said something blasphemous about JC
my guesstimate would be less than 1 %.

the muslim world has got a huge credibility problem karmal , if they wish to integrate into a secular world.
if they dont wish to integrate, then we still have a huge political problem.

the moderate muslims need to come down on the radicals like a ton of bricks. until they do, they are will have a lot of trouble being taken seriously.

i see even the old pacifist buddhists in burma have had enough and are kicking the muslims out. the muslim brothers need to modernise in a hurry , the world is becoming a smaller place and "good fences make good neighbours" probably doesnt apply anymore. Wink

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Reply #72 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

The point is,

that Karnal is ostensibly advocating the murder of people who are moslems.

OR, is Karnal 'playing' the part of an agent provocateur in this public forum ???
....because Karnal has no sincere opinions of his own which he is willing to reveal in this public forum ???

Why so ?

Because Karnal is not interested in promoting free and open debate in this public forum.

Karnal is a person who is only interested in promoting subterfuge in this public forum.

THAT, is my opinion.

Dictionary;

subterfuge = = a trick or deception used in order to achieve one’s goal.

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

FACT;

ISLAM, gives moslems the sanction to murder other human beings, who do not believe what they believe.

....The point is these people are Moslems and must be killed.

<-------- n.b. Karnal said.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #73 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:16pm Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: [size=14] OR, is Karnal 'playing' the part of an agent provocateur in this public forum ??? Ah.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22306 A cat with a view	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #74 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:23pm Karnal wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:16pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: [size=14] OR, is Karnal 'playing' the part of an agent provocateur in this public forum ??? Ah. In any case, Karnal is a weak, low, person. THAT, is my opinion of people like Karnal.
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