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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #30 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 1:08pm Be afraid Yadda... be very very afraid. We are all under the beds - YOUR beds. You are never safe, we are out to get you - thats YOU Yadda - you are in our crosshairs (or should I say our scimatar blade?)
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #31 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 2:40pm He's right though, Gandalf. You have to admit. Every Muslim, every Muslim, is a man for all seasons.
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Reply #32 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Gandalf likes to tell us what a wonderful example of progressive Islam Indonesia is and uses it to argue that Islam is not a barrier to progress.

Looks like Gandalf's become your new Abu, FD.

You must admit though, the times have changed since the good old days of Abu's impending Caliphate.

Every Muslim, every Muslim, is a flagwaver.

Whatever that means.

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Reply #33 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Be afraid Yadda... be very very afraid. We are all under the beds - *YOUR* beds. You are never safe, we are out to get you - thats *YOU* Yadda - you are in our crosshairs (or should I say our scimatar blade?)

You would like that.

But i do not fear or have respect for anyone declares themselves to be a moslem.

Wary of.

....because i am informed.

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."

Koran 8.67

Koran [8:67 above] meaning here, first moslems should beleaguer and slaughter their enemies in the land, to terrorise, to cower them.

And then later, moslems will more easily be able to defeat, and enslave a pliant, fearful enemy people.i

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Be afraid,... be very very afraid

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Be afraid,... be very very afraid

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Be afraid,... be very very afraid

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ISLAM has the sanction from Allah, to murder all of mankind, if they reject Allah's perfect religion.

Wary of.

The death cult, called ISLAM.

And, moslems choose to associate themselves, with ISLAM.

Q.
Why do moslems choose to associate themselves, with ISLAM?

Is it because moslems are ignorant, about the tenets and laws of ISLAM ??????

I do not think so.

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #34 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 8:47pm That was you, Gandalf, man of all seasons, flagwaver, infidel. Sorry, that was you, Moslem. kuffir, Yadda has been informed. For thine is the Kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever... Yadda has been informed.
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Reply #35 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 9:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2013 at 7:51am:

All that you have to do [in a moslem majority country] is declare yourself a devout moslem

I have no problem with that. Why would I?

But Soren is demanding I go and do something that will almost certainly result in my death. Why would I want to do that? Like that girl in Pakistan who insisted (correctly) that islam encourages women's education - and a got a bullet in the head for her troubles.

Blasphemy laws are a blight on islam - but I'm certainly not going to tell that to the fundies who have promised to kill anyone who says such a thing. Do you think I'm insane? Or are you going to insist that its somehow hypocritical to value your own life?

What about all the Muslims who got wound up about the internet video about Muhammed, or the Danish cartoons?

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Reply #36 - Mar 8^th, 2013 at 10:21pm

Them too. The whole lot of them - informed. Seasons. Flagwavers.

Sorry, flagburners. Whatever they do with flags at any rate - they certainly aren’t boy scouts. We know that much.

You, Mr Moslem, you are the kuffir.

Google Malaysia’s Prime Minister on homosexuality.

And be afraid. That’s the main thing.

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Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:00am

Karnal wrote on Mar 8^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Them too. The whole lot of them - informed. Seasons. Flagwavers.

Sorry, flagburners. Whatever they do with flags at any rate - they certainly aren’t boy scouts. We know that much.

You, Mr Moslem, you are the kuffir.

Google Malaysia’s Prime Minister on homosexuality.

And be afraid. That’s the main thing.

Be afraid, be very afraid, of disinformation.

Disinformation, your name is Karnal.

The purpose of disinformation, is to leave people in ignorance [about any particular issue].

Why ?

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Why does someone, or some group want to have people in ignorance [about any particular issue].

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So that the general public will be always confused and and uninformed, and therefore those who are confused and and uninformed, will be unable to make informed choices, and to act in an informed way, in their own best interests.

Karnal does not want anyone to be informed, especially about the nature and intents of ISLAM/moslems.

Karnal wants everyone to be confused and uninformed about the nature and intents of ISLAM/moslems.

People who are confused and and uninformed CAN BE MORE EASILY LIED TO, AND THEREBY BE MORE EASILY MANIPULATED BY OTHERS.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #38 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:15am I beg to differ, Yadda. I think Karnal wants everyone to be informed about seasons, flagwaving, Malaysia’s prime minister on hommersexuality and Mr Moslem. Shall we ask the others? What does everyone else think? Is disinformation’s name Karnal?
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Reply #39 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:24am

Think about it,

think about what motivated the actions of 'persons', which resulted in what is displayed in those 'graphic' images in post #33.

Those acts are occurring everyday around the world, particularly in moslem majority jurisdictions [N. Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Indonesia, in Australia the 'wanna-be' Holsworthy barracks terror plot].

Those acts of mayhem and terrorism were all planned and conducted by moslems, against others who don't believe what they believe.

Why ???

Because those acts of mayhem and terrorism [planned and conducted by moslems], all have the sanction of religious ISLAM!

Those acts of mayhem and terrorism, directed against 'disbelievers', were all 'lawful' acts, to moslems.

To kill a 'disbeliever' is the same 'morality', to a moslem, as to kill cattle.

Within the moslem community, in Australia, we have people who believe that they are sanctified, by their religion, to kill those who disrespect their ISLAMIC tenets and their ISLAMIC law.

Why are we allowing moslems, who believe such things, live among us ???

If we allow moslems, who believe such things, to live among us, their influence, in living among us, WILL CHANGE OUR SOCIETY FOR THE WORSE.

Moslems who are living among us, believe that it is 'lawful' for a moslem to murder us, if we 'disrespect' their ISLAMIC tenets and their ISLAMIC law, because we CHOOSE to have a different opinion.

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FROM AN ISLAMIC 'SCHOLAR' AND 'ACADEMIC', PROMOTING THE 'VIRTUE' OF ISLAM /sarc off

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

Sayyid Qutb

To kill a 'disbeliever' is the same as to kill cattle, all 'disbelievers' who reject ISLAM, are Allah's enemies.

Moslems ARE TAUGHT BY THEIR RELIGION, AND MOSLEMS BELIEVE, that they can lawfully murder the 'disbelievers'.

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...i+++

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #40 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:33am

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

I beg to differ, Yadda. I think Karnal wants everyone to be informed about seasons, flagwaving, Malaysia’s prime minister on hommersexuality and Mr Moslem.

Shall we ask the others?

What does everyone else think?

Is disinformation’s name Karnal?

You are a little man Karnal.

You are a low person.

In this forum
you peddle disinformation,
you try to suppress accurate information, and
you try to encourage ignorance
about what ISLAM encourages in its adherents.

And you are promoting ignorance [and thereby, our confusion] about the intent of ISLAM and moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform Reply #41 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:39am What do you think, friends? Is Karnal a sinister peddler of disinformation? A double agent? A snake in the grass? Stay reading, friends. For all artificial limbs and surgical suppies, come to Khan and Co, 4136 Karl Marx Avenue Kabul. 10% off if you mention ad.
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Reply #42 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:59am

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:39am:

What do you think, friends? Is Karnal a sinister peddler of disinformation? A double agent? A snake in the grass?

Stay reading, friends.

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With your inanity you are disrespecting the lost lives of all those persons who were murdered - those dead persons, displayed in those 'graphic' images in post #33.

And you are disrespecting the lost lives of all those persons who are being murdered every day, in markets, and mosques, and bus stations around the world, ....by moslems.

Moslems are murdering, slaughtering, 'disbelievers'.

And as an act of conscience, to stir the conscience of others, i remind people, on this forum.

And you reply, ....with inanity.

Again, you are a low person, Karnal.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #43 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 11:26am

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:39am:

What do you think, friends? Is Karnal a sinister peddler of disinformation? A double agent? A snake in the grass?

Stay reading, friends.

For all artificial limbs and surgical suppies, come to Khan and Co, 4136 Karl Marx Avenue Kabul.

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You do have a habit of touching on genuine issues, then doing the 'bait and switch' thing or retreating to mockery once it gets too hard.

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Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

True, FD. Yadda had me up against the ropes there for a minute, but I made it away in time for the bell.

In the next round I plan to touch on Malaysia’s PM on homosexuality, Mr Moslem being the Kuffir and if I can, the supposed health benefits of camel urine.

I may also throw in that Gandalf is responsible for the Madrid bombings - well, and myself through my evil Musel appeasement. Apparently I’m the Kuffir too.

Stay reading, friends.

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